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Ahh, the elusive Maria Kickers/Kikkert/Kick, one of my 7th or 8th great grandmothers depending on which family timeline I can trace back to her (12 times on my paternal side and 1 on my maternal side ..... and still exploring). Deon Botha has put a lot of effort into trying to identify her parentage and I welcome this discussion and shall follow it with great interest.