Sir John "the Red" Comyn, Earl of Badenoch, Justiciar of Galloway - Wifes

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This Alicia here in the link below should be Sir John ”Red” Comyn’s wife, according to the sources, not Alicia Lindsay as you have placed as his wife. Please correct it so not all lineages go wrong.

Alicia de Ros(s). Sir John ”Red” Comyn’s real wife:

Sir John l "the Red" Comyn, Earl of Badenoch, Justiciar of Galloway

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ros-164

Research Notes

Notes on parentage: It was suggested in the 1906 edition of Scots Peerage that she was Alicia Lindsay, daughter of Walter de Lindsay of Lamberton.[3] This claim was repeated in Alan Young's recent study of the Comyn family.[4] In neither case is the claim definitive with Scots Peerage saying "Alicia was apparently a Lindsay" and Alan Young saying she was "probably" Alicia de Lindsey. The claim is "inferred from the facts that Alicia and her husband were in possession of Ulseby, and her son John Comyn was guardian of Alexander, son of David and Margaret de Lindsay."[5] This is strange reasoning and easily shown to be incorrect.
The first problem is Ulceby was a Roos manor, not the property of the Lindsay family. So the fact that Ulceby, Lincolnshire was in possession of Alicia and John Comyn in no way implies she is Alicia Lindsay. The evidence cited by Scots Peerage is simply a document saying John Comyn had the custody of Alexander Lindsay.[6] Being a guardian of a ward by grant of the king in no way implies a family relationship; the usual reasons being to control an important young heir, to reward John Comyn and/or John Comyn paid the most money to have the wardship of Alexander Lindsay.
As it turns out, we have very direct evidence as to the parentage Alice, wife of John Comyn - she is Alice de Roos, daughter of William de Roos and his wife Lucy Fitz Piers.[7] As mentioned, Ulceby, Lincolnshire was a Roos manor and it was granted by William de Roos as a maritagium to John Comyn with the marriage of his daughter.[8] In a survey around the time of Edward I, "John Comyn and his wife de Roos [held Ulceby] as a gift of William de Roos."[9] In a suit later Lucy, widow of William de Roos, was suing Alice for 1/3 of Ulceby.[10] In 1335, Robert Comyn was suing Roger Comyn for Ulceby gave his pedigree as Robert - son of John - son of John and Alice Comyn - daughter of William de Ros and Lucy.[11][12] In 1231, Robert Comyn was suing Richard Byron for land in Ulseby which William de Ros had given to his daughter Alice and her heirs, and gave his pedigree as Robert - son of John - son of Alice - daughter of William de Ros.[13]

Jason Scott Wills & Alicia de Lindsay - are you in agreement?

This is not the same as Medlands, which has:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20UNTITLED.htm#...

1. JOHN Comyn "the Red" (-1277).

m secondly ([1265/70]%29 ALICE [de Lindsay of Lamberton, daughter of WALTER de Lindsay & his wife Christiana ---] (-after 18 Nov 1279). Records of pleas and assises at Werke in Tyndale dated 18 Nov 1279 name "Alicia widow of John Comyn whose lands are worth 400 marks yearly" among "ladies who are and ought to be in the king’s gift"[425]. Balfour Paul suggests that her parentage is confirmed by her possession of Ulseby and her son John Comyn (presumably indicating John Comyn "the Black") being guardian of Sir Alexander Lindsay, son of her supposed sister Margaret and David de Lindsay[426]. However, the chronology suggests that John Comyn "the Black" was the son of John Comyn’s first wife. Considering the birth of her supposed father Walter de Lindsay in [1231/33], it is unlikely that Alice could have married John Comyn before [1265] at the earliest. John Comyn & his [first] wife had ten children (it is possible that some younger children were born from John Comyn’s second marriage, but the difficulty of estimating their dates of birth makes it difficult to identify which children these may have been]:

Lady Alice de Roos Should be moved, I take it.

Anne Brannen see the arguments against Cawley’s family configuration. I’ve also uploaded Magna Carta Ancestry on the topic:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000180494716985

Stirnet has several unnamed daughters as their issue, including one who married into the the Galbards of Galbraith

Nn Comyn

Easier to see here

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe...

Who also cited the Clan Donald Society

[S67] Macdonald genealogy, Roddy Macdonald of the Clan Donald Society of Edinburgh, (http://www.clandonald.org.uk/genealogy.htm), genealogy/d0000/g0000044.html#I1284 (Reliability: 3).

[S64] Mackenzies, History of the, Alexander Mackenzie, ([ History Of The Mackenzies by Alexander Mackenzie, NEW, REVISED, AND EXTENDED EDITION pub 1894 ] http://www.fullbooks.com/History-Of-The-Mackenzies1.html), Part 1 (Reliability: 3).

[S114] Oxford University Press, (Oxford University Press).

[S67] Macdonald genealogy, Roddy Macdonald of the Clan Donald Society of Edinburgh, (http://www.clandonald.org.uk/genealogy.htm), genealogy/d0006/g0000043.html#I1283 (Reliability: 3).

[S46] www.electricscotland.com, http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/cumming2.html (Reliability: 3).

Another of the daughters is mentioned in the Red Book of Scotland (page 3 of the PDF)

http://redbookofscotland.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Moubray-o...

SIR GOFFREY DE MOUBRAY, was one of the signatories to the Treaty of Salisbury on 14 March 1290 ….

… Winton states his wife to have been a daughter of Sir John Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, (the Red Comyn), and by her he was father of : …

1. Sir Roger de Moubray,