Walter Stewart (FitzAlan), 3rd High Steward of Scotland - Alesta nic Morggán

Have you done some research online to see which one is right?

I think it more likely the Findagrave profile is referring to Margaret FitzWalter

If you open up the Geni profile to the “about,” you’ll see:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_fitz_Walter,_2nd_High_Steward_of...

"Some sources list Margaret Galloway as Walter's mother. Galloway is related to William the Conqueror and other royalty."

Fergus, Lord of Galloway did not have a daughter Margaret.

http://www.mathematical.com/gallowaymargaret1130.html
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jwebe...
"I have seen a number of posts to SGM concerning various combinations of the three wives for Alan, including several that doubt the ancestry given to Eve above; and there is doubt over which children might be born to which wives. I have found two threads in SGM which name the three wives that I have for Alan. Despite Alex Stewart's source which names Eve 1st, and 2ndly Alesta, I have followed Suzanne Doig (SGM), in assigning an order to his wives, and then distributed his children among all three. I do not have a great deal of confidence that I am entirely correct, but then I am probably not entirely wrong either."

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SGM is the acronym for the e mail group, soc.gen.medieval, where sticky issues of medieval profiles are discussed.

We might be able to understand more exploring You can cite this record using this snippet: PoMS, no. 400 (https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/400/; accessed 26 September 2020)

I deleted my former post because it was wrong info. Wikipedia states that Alesta is his mother, but that "other sources" claim it was Margaret of Galloway (somehow kin to William the Conqueror).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_fitz_Walter,_2nd_High_Steward_of...

Here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_of_Galloway

I was just wondering about the basis of the name Margaret “fitzWalter” (daughter of Walter).

The “other sources” include citation by “Suzanne Doig (SGM) [1998 ?]

"ALAN FitzWalter (-1204 ...The name of Alan’s wife is not known."

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#_Toc389122948

that profile is Alain son of Walter, 2nd High Steward of Scotland
His profile lists his three wives as
Eva Crawford, {Fictional}

https://www.geni.com/people/Alesta-nic-Morggán-of-Mar/6000000002325...
and
Margaret FitzWalter

whereas http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#_Toc389122948
ALAN FitzWalter (-1204, bur [Paisley]). As discussed above under his father’s supposed first marriage, the documentation suggests that Alan was not the son of Walter’s wife Eschina. "Walterus filius Alani dapifer regis Scotie…et Alanus filius meus" donated property to Paisley by undated charter[1125]. He succeeded his father as second High Steward of Scotland. The seal of "Alain L. fi. Watir L. fi. Al. senescall re. Sco." is appended to a charter of Melrose dated to [1170][1126]. The Chronicle of Melrose records the death in 1204 of "Alan Fitz Walter"[1127]. According to Stuart, Alan was buried at Paisley but he does not cite the corresponding primary source[1128]. m ---. The name of Alan’s wife is not known. Balfour Paul says that Alan “is said said to have married Eva, daughter of Swan, son of Thor, Lord of Tippermuir and Tranent, but this seems to be founded on a mistaken reading by Duncan Stewart of a charter in the register of Scone”[1129]. Indeed the charter in question records that "Willelmus de Rotheuen" confirmed, with the consent of "domini Walteri filii mei", an earlier charter of "Walterus filius Alani bone memorie patris mei", which confirmed the donation of "Tubermure" made to Scone abbey by "Swan filius Thory auus meus"[1130], which clearly refers to the ancestors of the Ruthven family (see the document SCOTLAND UNTITLED NOBILITY).

For the Galloways there's a PhD thesis that doesn't leave many stones unturned

Forgot the link

https://research-repository.st-andrews.ac.uk/handle/10023/2638?show...

[https://www.jstor.org/stable/25530586?read-now=1&seq=1#page_sca... A Family Business? Colonisation and Settlement in Twelfth- and Thirteenth-Century Galloway]

Sorry to be late chiming in. Stuff happened.

Things I note:

The Wikipedia citations for Alain, 2nd High Steward, being married to Efa come from two antiquarian accounts, and are not, therefore, trustworthy in and of themselves; the scholarly methodology at that time was problematic. David Simpson's book from 1713 gest cited, but not in important places. It is not available in e-text, so I can't see the entry. Burke's 1851 study of the Royal Families is only available in e-text in Volume 1 -- we need Volume 2, so I can't see the entry.

It's the same citations for Alesta. So, no useful information from Wikipedia in this instance.

Medlinks is making more sense. I would detach Alesta, and put in a note about the inherited problems.

As to Walter's wife Bethoc -- Wikipedia gives no citation at all, so that's more than useless. "the Pedigree of Walter Stewart," linked to in the Geni profile, has no citations -- worse than useless. In Medlands, the citation takes us to Balfour Paul, as early as 1904 saying that there was no proof that Walter had married Bethoc. Not only does Medlands not give a name for Walter's wife, Bethoc is not in Medlands a daughter of GilChrist.

So Bethoc her self is an inherited story that has no back up.

So I think she also needs to be detached, with notes added.

Found the Burke ref, for what it's worth

https://books.google.com/books?id=3r0_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PR40

Yay! Thanks.

As I expected -- no citations. No telling where the information comes from.

The name of Alan’s wife is not known. He should be disconnected from all three of the wives proposed for him.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#_Toc389122948