Chlodio IV, King of the Franks at Cologne (Fictitious Person) - Clodius's Existence

Started by Elliot.V.Kelsey on Wednesday, September 23, 2020
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9/23/2020 at 2:27 PM

I already asked this question on Marcomir's page but I wanted to see if I got a different answer on this one. Is there any proof that Clodius existed and if not than what is the proof that he didn't exist?

9/23/2020 at 5:01 PM

Elliot.V.Kelsey

If you get a different answer it will probably be highly problematic.

That the Franks had a genealogy that went back to Troy, but wasnt true, is well known. The issue then becomes what pieces of the genealogy can be verified from outside sources.

And not surprisingly, a lot can’t.

You asked was there proof Chlodio existed. No, there isn’t. That’s why he is not considered real.

Then you asked that we prove that he didn’t exist. That can’t be done either.

I understand that it can be very frustrating, when the early medieval documents don’t give up what we want.

But what we have, we have. The rest is lost to time and circumstances, and what remains has to be interpreted.

We consider the time period (how close to being a contemporary document is it), the writer (who wrote or compiled it, and what was his or her bias), and the audience (what did the contemporary readers want from this document).

Any information about this piece of the line comes from sources that can’t be corroborated, and we know that there was an agenda, and that the agenda wasn’t about historical truth as we know it now.

(The same thing will happen throughout medieval genealogies in Europe. All the noble families in Wales were supposedly descended from one god or another. The Irish were supposedly descended from Egypt. Not so much.)

9/23/2020 at 5:13 PM
9/23/2020 at 10:13 PM

Non-subscribers do have limited access. Which is practically unlimited at present, thanks to covid

9/23/2020 at 10:15 PM

I will go find them, then, just in case.

BRB

11/1/2020 at 11:18 AM

Thank you for your help Anne.

11/1/2020 at 11:18 AM

Thank you for your help Anne.

11/1/2020 at 11:18 AM

Thank you for your help Anne.

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