Curators: Please make this profile a Master Profile

Private User

6/22/2021 at 4:04 PM

Also the first and second one have the same death date and location - is that correct?

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087

6/22/2021 at 5:28 PM

Looks like FS person i.d. numbers but I have not checked

Private User

6/22/2021 at 6:37 PM

I'm not sure of the curator protocols for this discussion, but there are requests dating back to 6/4 that haven't been mastered yet.

Dovid Rosenbaum

6/22/2021 at 6:55 PM

Rabbi Moshe Dovid Tendler

Susanne Floyd PRO

6/22/2021 at 8:35 PM

Private User I have felt frustrated before about this issue and went back and read Mike Stangel 's initial post on this thread:

See http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Master_Profile for a description of Master Profiles on Geni.

Before posting here:

1. Try your hardest to connect the profile to the tree (or at least a significant stand-alone tree)

2. Check https://www.geni.com/curators first to see if there's a specific curator who specializes in your area, to whom you should address your request

3. Make sure the profile overview is well-written with proper grammar, punctuation and source citations.

4. Master Profiles are public, so do not include any information or photographs or other images that you or others might consider to be confidential or private.

5. Consider using the multi-lingual support available on Geni to provide information in different languages where appropriate.

6. Ensure that the text and any pictures in the profile are sourced and do not breach any copyright.

7. Understand that a curated profile is not necessarily a “complete” profile. Geni users should continue to add citations and upload source information to profiles after they become MPs.

In your post:

8. Include the URL of each profile to be curated.

9. Advise if fields (data and relationship) are ready to be locked.

10. Explain why the profile is requested to be made an MP. If for example there are two profiles that are often confused, include the URL of both and state why. Do not assume that curators know your thoughts or are familiar with the context which led to your request for the Master Profile flag.

I think that #2 is a real issue. I posted 6 profiles in one post two pages back, explained why they needed to be MPd, but failed to note a curator. After someone posted about 5 individual names and we moved onto an second and then a third page, I realized I needed to contact a curator. Thank you, Marsha Gail Veazey!

I would add to Mike's list that if we have multiple profiles to post in one post and explain their importance or need to be MPd. It will help condense and make it easier for curators and the rest of us to feel like we aren't three or four pages behind and forgotten. Just my thoughts on this and I could be way off base. Curator expertise is important and all are spread so thin.

Private User

6/22/2021 at 8:57 PM

There are possibly a couple of other reasons that a curator hasn't MP'd them

A lot of users think that we know everything about profiles we are curators of and some users get very abusive to curators if something is different than what they think it should be
A lot of users think that curators are responsible for every bit of information on an MP profile - for doing the research, for checking every field for accuracy, for adding sources, for fixing tree conflicts, for fixing data conflicts and some users get very abusive to curators if it is not 100% accurate
A lot of users think that curators are responsible for dealing with every duplicate that gets made of an MP'd profile.
A lot of users expect curators to action their requests immediately forgetting that we are volunteers and have a life and work outside of Geni

This tends to make a lot of curators not MP profiles outside of our specialities as constantly getting abused when we are only trying to help wears curators down.

A lot of curators have been worn down by years of abuse and no longer actively work these discussions.

Susanne Floyd PRO

6/22/2021 at 9:04 PM

I can only imagine the issues that curators have, Private User and I am so sorry it is that way. Many excellent curators are not on the list that Mike Stangel shared for probably the reasons you mention. I can think of several who have been extremely helpful in my growth on Geni and who are not on the list.

Private User

6/22/2021 at 9:17 PM

Susanne Floyd

Thank you for reminding us of Mike's initial post to this discussion.

Hopefully it will remind users not to post here just URLs, with no explanation as to why the person should be made MP, and blank profile overviews.

The point of Mike's #2 is that if the profile is in an area where an active curator has a particular interest or expertise, then a direct message to that curator might achieve more than a post here which that curator won't see.

Private User asked regarding curator protocols. There is no specific curator or set of curators nominated to monitor this discussion. Rather, any curator can peruse the listings and choose to address those that the curator wishes to address. Some curators have a lot of spare time available for Geni, others less. Some curators MP generally across the tree; others keep to their specialist areas.

To maximise the chance that your MP request will be fulfilled in timely fashion.

1. Consider addressing the MP request to a specific curator in a direct message rather than posting here.

2. Alternatively, follow Mike's guideline and list here.

It is possible that you list here and have complied with all Mike's criteria and your request doesn't attract an appropriate curator before the pages turn. In that case, try contacting a relevant curator directly, or relist here. But more likely there are further criteria you need to satisfy before you relist.

Private User

6/22/2021 at 9:30 PM

It would help too if it had a geo / time / speciality note
Ie Australia 1850
America 1780
DAR
etc

Something that a curator might go - that's my interest area - I might be able to value add.

But if you are requesting a lot in the same locality / time it might be worth developing a relationship with the curators who specialise in that area.

Susanne Floyd PRO

6/23/2021 at 3:08 PM

Thank you, Private User and Private User. I think developing positive relationships with curators is an important aspect of learning on Geni. I cannot tell you how much I have learned from one curator who is not on the curator list above - Faustine Darsey, as her expertise on ferreting out relationships of Patriots of the American Revolution is beyond anything I can comprehend. So many others have expertise in other areas. I am grateful for the spirit of cooperation.

Private User

6/23/2021 at 4:56 PM

Thank you all for the nice discussion and good advice! I like the suggestion to add an area of interest. I'll keep it in mind for future posts.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087

6/24/2021 at 8:56 AM

Germanna colonists and descendants. Well sourced but difficult to work on for the layman due to similar names and repeated names for siblings in many of the further back.
Many need MP flag to keep from bad merges with siblings or close relatives and some already have been mismerged and need protection from it happening again:
Johannes Christian Willheit to keep from continued confusion with same named brother.

Sisters:
Elizabeth Spilman
Ann Elizabeth Smith

I have been removing spouses from the wrong siblings all month lol

I would be ecstatic for a Geni curator to wish to work with these Germanna profiles specifically but have simply been making requests a few at a time.

Thank you in advance. These are reposts. I am not a direct descendant of these but I am a Germanna descendant several ways.

Private

6/24/2021 at 9:36 AM

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087
I find one of the main issues with German/Swiss settlers in 1600 to 1700s was their use of the same first name for all the boy and another for all the girls. and many people today just looking at the first name instead of the second.

that and the terrible mangled spellings you find within the same family group until it settles into the current form. The problem with that is that people today work backwards, giving the males the same last name as their sons,,, moving back until you have 5 men who are the same but widely different spellings.

And that's before you get into typical discrepancies with dates and locations.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087

6/24/2021 at 9:40 AM

Private yup. I have this same problem with my Swaim from New Holland (New York 1600's) but there is a Germanna Foundation that is active here AND in Germany and is the MAIN reason I can work on correcting these profiles and am so happy to be able to do it. I am working with Germanna genealogists and there is an increased interest from other Germanna descendants like myself. The more of these tree top ancestors we can get curated and locked, the better!

Private

6/24/2021 at 9:48 AM

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087
thanks for the reference. They definitely need a similar one for the early Dutch in NY. THOSE names are even worse than mangled.