Schwerne Lodden - Wrong spouse?

Harmen 'Hans Jansz van Noorthoorn' Potgieter, SV/PROG seems to have been merged into his father?

So we've (temporarily) lost Jan Potgieter. Undoing merges :-/

This one Hermann Pottgeter/Potgieter is married to Beeltjie (Isabella) Fredericks

So, his son.

How has Tryne Arendts Potgieter (Tryne Arents) become Schwenne?

Tryne Arendts Potgieter's profile was updated by Andreas Petrus Potgieter. Label, display name, forename, and birth surname « less
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Tryne Arendts Potgieter's profile was updated by Andreas Petrus Potgieter. Label, display name, forename, and birth surname « less
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He made her Isabella, then made her Schwenne.

Correct Data seems to be:

Tryne Arendts Potgieter

Daughter ofGerdt Arendts

Wife ofHerman Potgieter

Mother ofJan Hermann Potgieter

Sister ofTryne Arendts Potgieter

Birth Datec. 1585

Death Date1610

Birth LocationNordhorn, NDS, Germany

Her mother has been added as NN von Lodden

Hermann POTTGETER, ook genoem Nesen Hermann, waarskynlik so vernoem na sy moeder, Nese (Agnese). Hermann is ongeveer 1590 gebore en in 1667 word sy naam in Nordhorn aangetref as Hermann Pottgeter, burgermeester van Nordhorn. Hy het reeds voor die dertigjarige oorlog getrou met Tryne, die stiefdogter van Gerdt Arents. Hermann was ook lid van die Nordhorn skoenmakersgulde. Hulle het vier kinders gehad; Nesen Lambert POTGIETER die eienaar van 'n stuk grond in Pottkamp, Adeldorf, Gert POTGETER wat die eienaar van die "Faberhaus" in Schuttorf was, Hermann POTTGEITE wat in 1648 trou met 'n dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN, en Jan POTGIETER.

Jan (of Johannes) POTGIETER was gebore in Nordhorn, Wesfalen, Duitsland en trou in 1634 met Schwerne LODDEN, die dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN van Frensdorf . Sy was ook in Nordhorn gebore, in die jaar 1610. Jan was ook genoem Ossenjan of Kettel Johan. Ons stamvader Harmen Jansz POTGIETER wat in 1635 in Nordhorn gebore is was die enigste seun uit hierdie huwelik. by Eric Swartd in

http://www.stamouers.com/stamouers/surnames-n-to-q/398-jansz-potgie...

So is Father of Harmen Jansz Potgeiter : Hermann Potgiter or Jan ( Johannes ) Potgiter ?

I wish they would cite primary sources :-/

So Trynne is a stepdaughter.

Harmen Jansz Potgiter b* 1635
----- son of

Jan Potgieter b* 1610 ? and Schwerne von Lodden van Frensdorff married 1634
---son of
( and brother of Hermann Potgiter m* to another daughter of Swenne von Lodden ? )
Hermann Pottgeter b* 1590 ? and Nese ( Agnese )

NO Jan potgieter married to Schwerne von Lodden is son of
Hermann Pottgeter ( Nesen Hermann son of Agnes) and Trynne Arents (stepdaughter)

So:
Hermann Nesen Pottgeter/Potgieter
Hermann POTTGETER "Nesen Hermann" (c1590 - ) burgermeester van Nordhorn
so Agnese "Nese"
x Tryne (stiefdogter van Gerdt Arents).
*Nesen Lambert *Gert *Hermann (x 1648 dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN, en Jan POTGIETER)

and
Tryne Arents
Tryne
(stiefdogter van Gerdt Arents)
x Herman POTTGETER "Nesen Hermann" (c1590 - ) burgermeester van Nordhorn -so Agnese "Nese"
*Nesen Lambert *Gert *Hermann (x 1648 dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN, en Jan POTGIETER)

There are no sources for this person NN von Lodden as Tryne's mother.

The (unsourced) Stamouer article cites only Gerdt Arents as her stepfather.

Barend Potgiter his son
Kettelherman Potgiter married to Agnes Sholten
one son born 1590 Hermann Nessen Potgiter
Hermann Nesen Potgiter married Trynne ( Arens ?? ) 1630's
4 children
Lambert
Gert
Hermann m* to a daughter of S von Lodden 1648 ( Children ??? )
Jan ( Johannes ) m* Schwerne von Lodden 1634

Harmen Jansz Potgiter born 1635 only child of Jan ( Johannes ) Potgiter and Schwerne Lodden

So, we seem to have lost Jan Potgieter altogether :-/

Jan 'Ossenjan' Pottgeter/Potgieter = placeholder

Harmen Janz was die seun van Jan Potgieter (gebore 1605) van Nordhorn, Duitsland, en Schwerne LODDEN (gebore 1610), van Frensdorf, Duitsland. In 1670 verhuis Harmen na Amsterdam, en tree daar in diens van die VOC as soldaat en kom na die Kaap van Goeie Hoop, waar hy met Isabella Fredericks (of Beeltjie), weduwee van Claas Vechtman trou. Hulle het 8 kinders gehad, wat een seun van Isabella se vorige huwelik insluit. Later verlaat hy die diens van die VOC en word vry-smit.

Found Kettel Hermann Potgieter

Updated Jan.

J P Weyers says abou Jan 'Ossenjan' Pottgeter/Potgieter

Maybe make Hermann Nesen Potgiter and Trynne Arens his parents ?

Hermann POTTGETER, hy word ook genoem Nesen Hermann, waarskynlik so vernoem na sy moeder, Nese (Agnese). Hermann is ongeveer 1590 gebore en in 1667 word sy naam in Nordhorn aangetref as Hermann Pottgeter, burgermeester van Nordhorn. Hy het reeds voor die dertigjarige oorlog getrou met Tryne, die stiefdogter van Gerdt Arents. Hermann was ook lid van die Nordhorn skoenmakersgulde. Hulle het vier kinders gehad; Nesen Lambert POTGIETER wat die eienaar van 'n stuk grond in Pottkamp, Adeldorf was, Gert POTGETER wat die eienaar van die "Faberhaus" in Schuttorf was, Hermann POTTGEITER wat in 1648 trou met 'n dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN, en Jan POTGIETER.

Jan (of Johannes) POTGIETER was gebore in Nordhorn, Wesfalen, Duitsland en trou in 1634 met Schwerne LODDEN, die dogter van Swenne VON LODDEN van Frensdorf . Sy was ook in Nordhorn gebore, in die jaar 1610. Jan was ook genoem Ossenjan of Kettel Johan.
Sincerely,

Phillipp Zu Asche , Zu Staub

Ahhh - so we find the original Jan: Jan 'Ossenjan' Pottgeter/Potgieter Yaay.

! Yes !!! Why I said I give then numbers !

:-) I've added Curator notes and tried to lock relationships now. Yell if you or anyone else find loose ends you need sorted out or labelled or locked :-)

Next problem d.o.b. for him 1605 ? and d.o.b. for his father 1590 ?

I think c 1590 was on the Stamouers link. I'm just going to remove their unsourced dates - pending someone finding sources.

Stamouers seems a bit confused I noticed ! All will have to be cross checked with modern new info .