Blue Sky "Mary" Cornstalk - https://thecaseforblueskyandparkeradkins.com/ The REAL Story

I'm not seeing a plethora. So far, you've refused to even provide the first step.

Because I do not see the relationship between you, the people you mention, and most especially, Bluesky’s relationship to Cornstalk.

For quite a long time now I’ve described DNA test scenarios we use on Geni; in this case, mt DNA is most relevant, and that test was done. However, you refute those results and supply at DNA instead, which is problematic at 6 / 7 / 8 generations.

You have not described the pedigree although I asked for it. Apparently you will be posting that on your copyrighted blog? Advise when done.

For such a historic figure I would go to the historians. It looks, however, that you don’t agree with Sugan? So what do citations we can read are on offer?

Tammy, I am not the one who removed your comment.

What’s your citation for that claim, Dorene?

Sharon is looking for the paper trail to the mother of Charity Adkins. I can’t address those whose trees are not on Geni, but I have confidence in the accuracy of this tree (if there’s anything wrong, please advise).

The dispute mt DNA test was at Family Tree DNA by Goldie Adkins daughter (did she also have White children? Please fill them in, if so).

Goldie White

This is her path to Charity Adkins Parker’s daughter, showing as Goldie’s 3rd great grandmother (is that correct??)

https://www.geni.com/path/Goldie-White+is+related+to+Charity-Adkins?from=6000000074791798360&path_type=blood&to=6000000000114470569

Goldie (Adkins) White

  →  Ella (Dillon) Adkins 

her mother → Sarah ”Betsy” (Adkins) Dillon
her mother → Serilda Johnson
her mother → Rhoda (Adkins) Johnson
her mother → Charity Adkins
her mother

Dorene Private User - we copy / paste links to material, including Geni profiles, to make it easier on people.

What’s the name of Keziah’s descendants mother, do you recall? Keziah is Charity’s. problematic sister who apparently has matching mtDNA but that’s been disputed.

Dorene advises that the family historian, Ronnie Adkins, died recently. He wrote a well regarded study in the 1990s and I believe kept up on the family. He included the Bluesky oral tradition without a definitive opinion, if I remember correctly. And I think we have the relevant page from his book scanned and uploaded - I’ll look.

I already answered you. I do not know their relationships to this tree as you have not shared pedigree / relationship links, nor do I see their trees on Geni to study for myself. I did In fact find Hinshaw’s genealogy site but his Shawnee side is not on it.

He’d be more than welcome to post on Geni and describe his work. Or even an uploaded email to study.

http://www.rawbw.com/~hinshaw/cgi-bin/id?7967

Can you link which page of the blog please for Ronnie Adkins mention of Bluesky?

We look for the earliest mention in an oral tradition. If it’s a published book or article, a citation to it is fine. Everything is cataloged at the Library of Congress.

Uploading / quoting brief snippets is within copyright. But anyway for Ronnie Adkins work, hopefully my paraphrase (if accurate) is good enough, and I can supply the book citation. I’ve always mentioned source reputation.

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’m looking for the name of the mother of the tester in Keziah’s decent line whose mtDNA test compared with Goldie’s daughter.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000075748403140

Adkins, Ronnie. The Adkins Family of Wayne County, West Virginia: Also Cabell, Lincoln, and Boone : a Genealogical History : the Descendants of William and Elizabeth (parker) Adkins of Henrico County, Virginia, from 1690 to 1990. Montgomery, Ala. (3540 S. Georgetown Drive, Montgomery, 36109-2232: R. Adkins, 1990. Internet resource.
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/608645507

“ CHARITY ADKINS – Page 13

After telling the Blue Sky story which he described as an oral family tradition, he said: The above is included not to embellish in any way, rather to give descendants of Charity some information on which to base further research.”

Bluesky is mentioned in his book as follows

1. 42 (p. 12) - 3 matching terms
2. 43 (p. 13) - 5 matching terms
3. 833 (p. 803) - 1 matching term

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=Bluesky;id=wu.8905859...

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And as far as I know, this is her only mention in print.

Am I right about that?

Dorene, for what it's worth, literally all I'm doing here is trying to find paper citations to add to these profiles so that you don't have to keep answering questions about relationships. If you can link to overviews written by the three people you've mentioned, I'll cite them for you. If you only have paper copies, you could also scan or photograph them (or reasonable excerpts, if they're copyrighted) and then upload the files -- and again, I'll do the citation work for you if you want.

I very much understand the problem. My maternal side is basically all oral history before 1850, so I usually link to transcripts of oral history from elders that were recorded in the 1900s. It's an easy way to do it, and at least it's some kind of citation. And I also know that when I hit points in my tree where my branch's oral history differs from another branch's, I can't build back in a shared tree because there will be too much debate over whether my branch's oral history is correct. So I only have oral history citations on profiles where I am certain that every descendant branch is in agreement. It looks like that isn't the case with Blue Sky...and that's why as much citation as possible is necessary to make your argument on Geni.

Bottom line is, the more users cite profiles, the less discussion there is about whether they're accurate. So I've been spending my Sunday afternoon reading journal articles and adding citations to these profiles, which I definitely don't need to do if it's not wanted, or if it's taken as a personal offense. But really, I'm trying to help you here.

As to “not available in electronic format.” A citation is fine, including repository information. So let’s say there’s a hand drawn tree in possession of a cousin who inherited it, and you don’t have a picture of it yet. You’d want as full a description as you can. Think like a museum catalog. And it’s a precious artifact you “want” to cite.

As I understand the controversy (repeating for new to the story):

• there’s an oral tradition that a Shawnee woman called Bluesky, daughter of Cornstalk, was the mother of two of Parker Adkins children, Littleberry and Charity.
• all agree that a woman named Mary was his wife and the mother of the rest of his children
• some think Mary was a Fry. This does not seem to be strenuously argued anymore.
• some think Mary was the mother of all of Parker’s children.

It’s not being challenged. It’s not known to me. Nor is it known to me that Blue Jacket and Cornstalk are related. So point us to where we can see for ourselves.