Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA - Is he a descendant of King John of England?

Somehow I knew that I'd pick the wrong Arrius Piso. So, maybe it is this one?

Arrius Calpurnius Piso, King of Syria

Impossible to figure out who he's supposed to be. Too many aliases, and the dates don't work. Just crank stuff.

But nothing new about Trump, or anybody this side of Charlemagne. Just the theory that Trump is Trump because his ancestors were dictators.

Trouble is, we all share the same ancestors at that distance.

Anne, The link you showed....says Cameron...which is not on Trump's tree...correct?

Catherine/Christian MacLeod

...would be the same as...

Christian MacLeod

Mother Cameron!

https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/5fngXuaC/george-gordon-6...

Donald Mackay, 1st Lord Reay, fiar of Strathnaver is Diana Collins' fifth cousin 9 times removed!
Diana Collins
You → Shirley Ann Collins
your mother → Nellie Marie Hunter
her mother → Smith Sanders
her father → Mary Sanders
his mother → William Clutter, Sr.
her father → Ruth Clutter
his mother → Nathaniel Wade
her father → Jonathan Wade
his father → Mercy Wade
his mother → Anne Bradstreet, 1st American poet
her mother → Thomas Dudley, Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony
her father → Capt. Roger Dudley
his father → NN Dudley
his mother → Catherine Ashton
her mother → Adam Gordon, Lord of Aboyne
her brother → Alexander Gordon, Master of Sutherland
his son → John Gordon, 11th Earl of Sutherland
his son → Alexander Gordon, 12th Earl of Sutherland
his son → Jane Gordon
his daughter → Donald Mackay, 1st Lord Reay, fiar of Strathnaver
her son

That path was thru his mother. I would also be blood to him thru his father...

Hugh MacKay of Far Tongue & Strathnaver is Diana Collins' fourth cousin 13 times removed!
Diana Collins
You → Shirley Ann Collins
your mother → Nellie Marie Hunter
her mother → Smith Sanders
her father → Mary Sanders
his mother → Christiana Clutter Headley
her mother → Mary Jane Bane
her mother → David McCollum, Jr.
her father → David I McCollum, Sr.
his father → John " Old John " McCollum
his father → Janet Jean Campbell
his mother → Duncan Campbell of Glencarradale
her father → Archibald Campbell of Glencarradale
his father → Sir Archibald Campbell of Glencarradale, Kt.
his father → Beatrix Campbell of Glenurchy
his mother → Colin Campbell, 6th of Glenorchy and Arkinglass
her father → Marjory Stewart
his mother → Eleanor 'of Orkney' Stewart, Countess of Atholl
her mother → William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness, 3rd Earl of Orkney
her father → William "the Waster" Sinclair, 2nd Lord Sinclair
his son → Henry Sinclair, 3rd Lord Sinclair
his son → Helen Sinclair
his daughter → Iye MacKay of Strathnaver
her son → Hugh MacKay of Far Tongue & Strathnaver
his son

I think Donald Trump and I had more than 1 path to each other many moons ago...but for sure one of them was my 15th great grandfather...

John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl

I don't remember if it had shown Donald Trump was a descendant of John Stewart and my 15th great grandmother Eleanor Sinclair or John Stewart and Margaret Douglas. Oh...Margaret Douglas is also blood to me...

Margaret Stewart, Fair Maid of Galloway is Diana Collins' second cousin 15 times removed!
Diana Collins
You → Shirley Ann Collins
your mother → Nellie Marie Hunter
her mother → Smith Sanders
her father → Mary Sanders
his mother → William Clutter, Sr.
her father → Ruth Clutter
his mother → Nathaniel Wade
her father → Jonathan Wade
his father → Mercy Wade
his mother → Anne Bradstreet, 1st American poet
her mother → Thomas Dudley, Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony
her father → Capt. Roger Dudley
his father → NN Dudley
his mother → Catherine Ashton
her mother → Elizabeth Hay, Countess of Huntly
her mother → Beatrice Douglas, Countess of Erroll
her mother → Sir James "The Gross" Douglas, VII Earl of Douglas, Earl of Balvany & I Earl of Avondalea
her father → Archibald Douglas, 4th Earl of Douglas
his brother → Archibald Douglas, 5th Earl of Douglas
his son → Margaret Stewart, Fair Maid of Galloway
his daughter

Cheley - the descent you posted In msg https://www.geni.com/discussions/214909?msg=1418202 is not supported. We’ve been through this before. The presidential genealogists are working with Scotland People “on the ground” in Isle of Lewis, where they are very skimpy on records.

I added parents to Mary Munro but I’m uncertain going further back without images to see.

Cheley, I’m concerned about the mistakes in Trumps genealogy being re- introduced. It had been on Geni before his election and before the presidential genealogists corrected it, but it was upsetting to people - including you, if I recall correctly - to see that connection “cut.”

So I’m eager “not” to see distress again.

In my opinion, it’s too difficult for “us amateurs working without records” to take it further back. But there’s “sideways” in the 19th / 20th century still to be entered. I believe there were quite a few of these Isle of Lewis families to Ontario, for example this fellow: William Macleod

Unknown Profile That’s the official presidential genealogy we’ve had on Geni since the article came out. And I’m pretty sure everyone in it has been entered on Geni, but perhaps their collateral families can be added. Give me a moment and I’ll give you the linked document again, it’s easy to navigate from.

No cheley, https://www.geni.com/discussions/214909?msg=1418215 has errors.

I’m pretty sure at “ William MacLeod of Skerray (1806-1869) & Catherine MacLeod (1809- ) “ is off - but I have to find the correct.

William Macleod Is “not” the same as “ William MacLeod of Skerray (1806-1869)”

Primary source: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000098613022821

Presidential genealogy: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000097609582064

“ 4. William MacLeod (Aird Tong, Stornoway 26 April 1806–Vatisker 12 November 1869), son of Kenneth MacLeod and Catherine MacIver; married Stornoway 19 November 1828 25. Christian/Catherine MacLeod (b. Stornoway ca. 1809), daughter of Donald MacLeod and Margaret Cameron”

https://www.geni.com/discussions/214909?msg=1418223 is a mixup with a different family. In a different place.

There is a new book of local genealogy in the village where Pres. Trump’s mothers ancestors lived. See:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Macleod-2028

(Sister of William Macleod)

This is the 2019 (?) book

"Croft History - Isle of Lewis, Volume 29" by Bill Lawson for Comann Eachdraidh Sgìr a'Bhac. (This is the Gaelic for "Back Historical Society. The Volume deals with the village of Vatisker, Gaelic form Bhataisgeir.

This bookstore: https://www.hebridespeople.com/shop/croft-histories/

Unknown Profile You’re not following the geography. Skerry is “not” Isle of Lewis.

I’m not at all concerned about Trumps family hooking into more royal lines. In fact, I’m more or less in agreement with Ulf - of course he’s descended, we all are.

But we also can’t make it up, and his Scots line is stymying the best of the best.

We keep saying, build the German side, better records.

There is a different family in Skerry. It’s not a typo, it’s a different line.

There seem to be only a few given names in use. So the utmost attention to geography is the way to go.

This is where the mixup is.

Catherine Elisabeth Macleod And her father Commissary Donald MacLeod, of Whitefield near Thurso - as Diana Collins pointed out up thread. This is the family referred to in book of the Mackay.

See Angus MacLeod, of Skerry

This site is informative about Isle of Lewis families. But it costs money for access to records.

https://www.hebridespeople.com/services/family-trees/

But if there were anything to help with the President, we'd have heard. Original genealogy is needed - the answers aren't going to be sitting there in work that's already been done.

And for the Scots side, “on the ground” in the home country.

The diaspora generations (to Canada mostly it seems)

https://www.hebridespeople.com/history/timelines/

May well have intermarried with others who have established lines.

I have soooo many dna matches to people with all of these surnames. Here is an example in their tree...

Angus McLeod
PROFILE
Timeline
b. ??? - Caithness, Scotland

d. ??? - unknown

Ancestral Surnames
???

Catherine McLeod
PROFILE
Timeline
b. ??? - Scotland

d. ??? - unknown

Ancestral Surnames
???

Donald Munro
PROFILE
Timeline
b. 04 Aug 1755 - Assynt, Sutherlandshire, Scotland

d. 1848 - Munroe Point, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada

Ancestral Surnames
???

Ann McLeod
PROFILE
Timeline
b. ??? - Scotland

d. ??? - unknown

Ancestral Surnames
???

Alexander Munro
PROFILE
Timeline
b. ??? - Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland

d. ??? - unknown

Ancestral Surnames
???

John Matheson
PROFILE
Timeline
b. 1759 - Clachtoll, Sutherlandshire, , Scotland

d. 1837 - Pictou, , Nova Scotia, Canada

Ancestral Surnames
???

Margaret Kerr
PROFILE
Timeline
b. 16 Sep 1760 - ???

d. 1820 - Pictou, , Nova Scotia, Canada

Ancestral Surnames
???

Roderick McKenzie
PROFILE
Timeline
b. 1787 - Scotland

d. 24 Jul 1886 - New Zealand

Ancestral Surnames
???

Catherine Munro
PROFILE
Timeline
b. ??? - Scotland

d. 1823 - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada

Ancestral Surnames
???

Well , i just double checked. I thankfully have no connection to him at all

I do however connect directly to King John and his brother WilliamLongspree

Well I am in law related through Marla Maples.

Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's brother's wife's niece's husband's second great granddaughter's ex-husband.

You

→

Linda Sue Jackson
your mother

→

Zettie Jones
her mother

→

Martha Ann Frances Key
her mother

→

Emily Jane Wright
her mother

→

Martha Ann Dickerson
her mother

→

John E. Head, Jr
her father

→

John Head
his father

→

Ens. James Head
his brother

→

James Head, Jr.
his son

→

Elizabeth Head
his wife

→

James Monroe Allen
her brother

→

Mary A Allen
his wife

→

Sarah Parks
her sister

→

Martha Locklear
her daughter

→

Jeptha Locklear
her husband

→

Moses Nathan Locklear
his son

→

<private> Locklear
his son

→

Lura Ann Maples
his daughter

→

Marla Maples
her daughter

→

Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA
her ex-husband

I am perfectly fine with this. :)

Am i the first French who has John the first Lackand as his ancestor ?

I dont want to hurt anybody but if i share ancestors with Donald J Trump, it is a shame for me

Thierry Badoc -- Because John's granddaughter Beatrice married John, Duke of Brittany, a great many French people are descended from him.

There would be other lines, too, but that's the one I saw first.

anne brannen -- Did you saw the relation betweenjoth the first and Hawice de Tracy, daughter of Foulques III de Tracy and Hawice de Dinan ?

In Scotland there are always loads of people with the same name. You can't do it just by names and dates.

In Scotland there are always loads of people with the same name. You can't do it just by names and dates.

Oo-er. Looks like I'm repeating myself.

Can we sort out whether she was called Catherine or Christine? Wasn't that part of the original mistake?