George Ross - Where is the evidence he was son of David Ross, 11th of Balnagowan?

Inquisitionum Ad Capellam Domini Regis Retornatarum, Quae in ..., Volume 3 (Index to wills)

https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=Ch1DAAAAcAAJ&am...

Erica Howton we wrote on the same time. I found some stuff from Sweden where they speak about the family. Now I see these posts, wow. I have been checking out books now, last thing I was searching was runaway registers of haddington puufff
:)

This place gives 100 free reads and has easy search machine for me https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=george+ross+of+had...

The last thing I red was:

1592 The wild and lawless chieftain, Alexander Ross, ninth Laird of Balnagowan, died at Ardmore and was buried at Fearn. Clan Ross was the largest of the Highland clans under the university-educated George Ross, tenth Laird of Balnagowan. Open feuds amongst neighbours continued.

1615 George Ross, tenth Laird of Balnagowan, died and left his estate heavily encumbered with debts, the result of lawless behaviour and poor management. His successor, David Ross, eleventh Balnagowan chief was more law-abiding than either his father and grandfather had been, and his estates were erected into a Barony.

I do not know who the ancestor is but 2 years after that Mr Ross who's son ended up making big family in Finland, Vaasa was in Stockholm. https://www.ssns.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Palm_Undin_2012_...

There are soooo much information. So many same names spinning in my head. I try to sleep now. Thank for all this effort, huge work.

In Finland, it has been the custom that children of unmarried or "naughty" children do not have their names always at the finest pedigrees, but are often found elsewhere. At least from church books. I do not know how it was in Scotland. Let's hope for the best. Good night from Finland only -11 celsius outside and lots of snow.

https://www.greatclanross.org/htext6.html

Alexander Ross, the ninth of Balnagowan, invested in "modern" military equipment, including a cannon and coats of mail for unscrupulous acts against neighbouring clans. Laird Alexander, as a supporter of the Congregation of Reformers, was fined £80 for refusing to join the royal standard of the Queen Regent, mother of Mary Queen of Scots, supported by the Catholics. Nicholas Ross Abbot of Fearn received a bond of alliance and protection from the laird and, when he resigned in 1567 as Catholic Abbot and Provost of the Collegiate Church of Tain, the relics of St. Duthac were handed over to Laird Alexander for safe keeping. The members of Clan Ross had accepted the doctrines of the Reformed Church of Scotland. Nevertheless, the wild and lawless Alexander continued to be a thorn in the side of the Regency and paid fines or came under letters of "fire and sword" or agreed to rebuild destroyed properties.

His marriage to Janet, the daughter of the third Earl of Caithness, produced six offspring: (1) Robert; (2) Hector; (3) George, who became the tenth of Balnagowan; (4) Catherine, who was the second wife of Robert Munro of Foulis, and was tried for witchcraft; (5) Agnes and (6) Christian, who married Kenneth MacKenzie third of Dochmaluak.

By his second wife, Catherine daughter of Kenneth MacKenzie of Kintail, there were two sons:

(1) Nicholas, who became the first laird of Pitcalnie and also generated three further cadet branches of Clan Ross (the Rosses of Kindeace, Invercastley and Calrossie), and

(2) Malcolm, who died without issue. Chief Alexander Ross died at Ardmore in 1592, and was buried at Fearn.

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I think it’s that Nicholas of Pitcalne we need, and that Notes & Queries is incomplete on his descent.

One email came and they seem to have this one at their Books Hugh Ross

I asked for sources, but this is older person and he is sure it is that line. I am asking today what source there are at Nelimarkka book. If they have any at all.

Is he thinking of this Hugh Ross, 4th Lord of Balnagown ?

Still much too early to be of help.

I really don't know. William Ross, 2nd Lord of Balnagown there was this as ancestor and typed that all from this person from are Hugh, William, Hugh, William until Finnish William. And that George and William were brothers. That is the one I found with following that "idea" in Geni. But Granroths I have not heard yet, neither the person who went to Scotland. I asked from Nelimarkkas if they have some sources backing their book info, book seem not to be online so I will write a person who knows more about it.

Hugh Ross, Jr.

is this Hugh same as here

https://www.tainmuseum.org.uk/userfiles/file/ross_of_shandwick/THE-...

son of Hugh, 4th Baron of Balnagowan and it says

"Hugh Ross, of whom nothing is known" could he be the one? Hugh, please, will you except my rose?

Somehow that Catherine daughter of Kenneth MacKenzie of Kintail, with two sons sounds really interesting. ( In the old references in Finland Kinteis, Kinteil has been mentioned)

Hei pitkästä aikaa. Onko mitään uutta?

This academic publication by swedish genealogists is very interesting.

https://www.ssns.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Palm_Undin_2012_...

Page 124 note

"Some genealogists have connected William Ross of Vasa, Finland to George Ross of
Haddington, Lauder in Scotland. The authors have been in correspondence with Bertil
Rostedt, who claims descendance from William Ross of Vasa. Rostedt has a letter dated
1817 written by an ancestor seeking ennoblement for the Ross family in Finland. This letter specifies that William Ross had a brother, George, who was established in Stockholm and with whom William engaged in trade during the 1630s.."

This also confirms that William and George were brothers. They are also talking about same case of ennoblement that was discussed here before. George lived in Sweden, had lots of dept many times and seems quite colorful person. In that page an many more there are lots of info of George and his adventures in court. There is even one surviving
letter from Ross to Queen Christina (undated) which is marked with the word ‘bankruptcy’. Further, a letter he wrote to Chancellor Magnus Gabriel de la Gardie in 1669 provides evidence that Ross owed his new position as customs officer to the Chancellor’s influence.72 Ross then purchased a house in Sigtuna from Johan von Lillienhielm, the second husband of Elisabeth Neuhausen (who was the widow of Colonel James Seton)

(Then it is another story if there was a father named George or was it just Hugh)

https://archive.org/details/scottishantiquar04edinuoft/page/122/mod...

These Balnagown descendants seems to be a bit hard to track...

I wrote to the Tain museum and they were very helpful. There was no record of George Ross (1645-1702) supposedly from Balnagowan, who married Ursula Hamilton
(B:1648 Canesure, Down, IrelandD:1730)and went to County Down, at least not one they could find. I look forward to trying to solve this

Thanks Erica Howton for being on the case. One thing I have discovered is that one of my ancestors the Reverend Thomas Ross died 1818. who married Maria O'Brien of Dromoland used this coats arms.

Sorry I can't see how to post a picture. Anyway it has 3 water Bougets, which is in the Hawkeshead shield. The Dexter Arm is from the O'Brien shield. Never the less I haven't been able to find a link from George to the Hawkeshead Ross family. At lest not yet. Cathleen Ross

Bourke's Peerage say George is descended from David Ross, a Commissioner of Ulster under James I. I'm wondering if Bourkes got this wrong.

Thanks Erica
I’ve found those. Still haven’t found George Ross yet.
But something else might turn up.
Best
Cathleen

@Erica
I think that’s George Ross the signer. My Ross went to County Down, bought Quinton Castle and married USA Hamilton, great niece of the Earl who James 1 gave land to.

20. David, thirteenth of Balnagown, son and heir to his father, 6th October 1657, in the lands of Strathoykell, Inverchasley, and others (Inq. spec. Ross ct Cram.), Commissioner of Supply, Ross-shire, 1678-85 (Acts of Parliament), M. P. Ross-shire, 1669-74, Sheriff, 1689. He obtained a charter to himself and Francis Stewart of the lands and barony of Balnagown, 20th July 1688 (Great Seal). Born 14th September 1644, he died 17th April 1711, s. p. I., having married (sasine on marriage contract, 10th April 1666) Lady Anne Stewart, daughter of James, Earl of Moray; she died 1719.
He left several illegitimate children, among them " George, son to David Ross of Balnagown," Sasine 18th November 1694. He settled part of the Drum of Fearn on John Ross, mason in Balnagown, and Margaret Ross his spouse, 6th May 1668.
Source Rossiana.

According to Rossiana, if I'm reading this correctly, David Ross had an illegitimate son too, called George. The dates are right. I wondering if this is my George.

Ross of Bladensburg

THE ROSSES OWNED 640 ACRES OF LAND IN COUNTY DOWN

ROBERT ROSS, of Rostrevor, County Down, derived from SIR DAVID ROSS, was commissioner of Ulster under JAMES I, 1610.
Erica Howton
I'm wondering if this Sir David Ross is the Sir David Ross of Balnagowan. Can anyone advise me?This is my family line and Rossiana says Sir David Ross had an illegitimate son called George.

Yes. What I’m trying to work out is who is the Sir David Ross that Bourke’s peerage is taking about in 1610? I’m been folllowing the Roses of Hawkeshead and other lines and can’t find other Sir David Ross.
I’m not saying myGeorge is the son of David Ross of Balnagowan.
Best
C

Erica Howton C
Thanks, Erica. This makes sense but on the other Geni page David Ross, 12th of Balnagowan
there are two sons but no George. On your wiki above

that is my George Ross. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ross-94 Links George Rose (uncertain) who is my ancestor.

Yes, I agree. I can't find another Sir David Ross in Ireland, only the Balnagowan one.
I want to thank you for your time.
Best
Cathleen

I’m Australian. I think from my reading, James 1 was offering land under favourable conditions in Ireland and My George Ross who married the great niece of the Viscount Claybourne, who had a huge grant, took advantage of this later.
None of us are experts but I do value your opinion. Thank you for alerting me to the other wiki that claims George may be a son of Sir David Ross. I can’t find any other Sir David Rosses alive in 1610 as mentioned in Bourke’s Peerage.