Severing the Maharal's deep ancestry

I have been writing a book on my mother's family and through her father, I am a direct descendant of the MaHaRaL. I have already had other family members scoff at references to Cleopatra, Pythagoras and others that are pointed to by this line. I would rather have the line severed at least temporarily than have to put up contingencies in these longer lines that go back into antiquity. One of our closest friends as it turns out is an Eskeles descendant and Nicole says that there is someone in her family who is in charge of these matters. But I believe others including Chaim Freedman have already said that the Eskeles genealogy is suspect. If it cannot be proven or at least verified with some assurance of truth, it should not appear. After a while it becomes to difficult to navigate around what is proven and what is conjecture and to remind anyone who is interested of all of the various caveats.

Private User and Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski, so far the documentation is conclusive, i.e. there is none, just people repeating the same unfounded conjectures and inventions. When someone finds something that is a real source (a grave, an ancient document, an old published book that is reliable, etc.) then we can discuss what to do. I am going to give this a few more days, but if nothing newe appears, next week I will sever the Maharal's maternal grandfather Chaim from Issenheim, Chaim of Issenheim, [Maharal Mat-Gd.father], from his alleged father Betzalel ben Yehuda Loew, [Maharal Gt.Gd.father?].

Yigal Burstein, the curator of the profile, has not yet responded, but I am pretty sure that he has no more information to add to the discussion.

Private User added some documents in Hebrew to Chaim's profile, and maybe someone can let us know if there is anything relevant there, or if it based on the same misinformation (some of it from Sefer Megilath Yuchsin by Moshe Meir Pereles, now thoroughly refuted by Putik in his 2009 article) that we are trying to correct here.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000050559239006&

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000050620674273&

I am tagging MaHaRaL of Prague - המהר״ל מפראג so that everyone following the Maharal's profile also gets notice of this discussion.

Randy Schoenberg Love the 2009 piece. Question, have you seen the 2015 piece from Avotaynu by by Joseph Kwadrat?
Despite the headline, it takes an interest tack.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330761785_Avotaynu_The_Int...

I remember reading it, and have now read it again. Adds nothing to the discussion.

Hello Randy,
I have been following the discussion. I understand what you are trying to accomplish and it is important. However, I was wondering if you reached out to Neil Rosenstein, Naphtali Aron Wekstein, or Chaim Freedman, for support of what you are doing. It is one thing to write an intellectual paper. It is another to delete ancestry. I also hear you as being dismissive of Kwadrat's work. I have re-read his arguments and have read his clear extract of the Sefer Mateh Moshe, found at http://www.avotaynu.com/Kwadrat.pdf, so I agree we do not have a clear paper trail, but Kwadrat does present a well-reasoned proposal. Can you explain more about why you say, " Adds nothing to the discussion" ?

I think the real question is where does tradition play a role in our history and what to do when there are conflicting histories.

For my part, in my own tree, I try to show how the conflict arose, so that at least part of each tradition can be maintained.

Good luck in your endeavors.

I have been in touch with Rosensstein and Freedman, not Wekstein. I don't think they have anything to add. Kwadrat's article is about the original grave possibly saying that he descended from King David. So what? After 3,000 years every single person in Europe and the Middle East probably descends from King David. That adds nothing to our discussion of the ancestry of Chaim of Issenheim.

"However close examination of the photograph after Polakovoc's excavation shows that the word is not "Yishai" at all, put the end of the word "Khamishi", the Hebrew for the fifth day, namely Thursday. This is followed by the date 25th of Kheshvan."
https://chfreedman.blogspot.com/2007/06/maharal-of-pragues-descent-...

Again, I've seen Freedman's article and it has nothing whatsoever to add to the discussion we are having now.

Ok. I severed the apparently invented parents from Chaim of Issenheim, [Maharal Mat-Gd.father].

Thanks Randy Schoenberg