Agnes Jordan (Burte) - Agnes' marriages

Hi Barbara. Agnes Burte was my 12tth GG through her marriage to Thomas Jordan. I have only ever been interested in the Jordan male line, and I have it back to the de Courcys who came over with William the Concqourer. Have only done a couple of the wives, which have proved to be most interesting! Now you have brought her to the forground, I shall start digging, and let you know if I find anything more than we all ready know. Lets hope more people come up with some stuff. Be in touch.
Best Regards
Jude Ince nee Jordan

I have found a marriage date for Thomas and Agnes of1547, This would make Cecily Jannes birth date of 1551 quite legitimate, I will look more and find out how it fits with all other dates,
Best Regards Jude

Thank you Jude, I know the male lines are the more straightforward and more easily traceable but as a female and wife yourself how could you NOT be interested in the wives? Wink Wink, we are the more interesting half of most equations after all. All joking aside, there do seem to be some interesting family connections going on. Cecily Jordan Farrar 2nd wife of Samuel Jordan of Jordan's Journey appears to perhaps be a 2nd cousin. Some trees have her as his sisters granddaughter but I think 2nd cousins is probably more likely if at all, but that is a long standing mystery. And it seems to me there might be some familial connection to John Rolfe (of Pocahontas fame) through Agnes Burte's side of the family. Jordan's and Rolfe's properties adjoined each other and if they were both aboard the ill-fated Sea Venture it would make sense that they would be friends but what if they were cousins as well who invested in the Virginia Company together. It is just speculation on my part right now, I noticed Burtes in Rolfe's family tree when working on a school project with my kids a while back and it got me thinking. Thank You SO much for investigating Thomas and Agnes. Inconsistencies drive me crazy and my resources are limited at the moment. Your help is much appreciated!

Hi Barbra Oh yes I do agree, why on earth do women seek equality with men, love them as I do, we have been miles ahead for years,,, Re your last email, thats a lot to be looking at,and I certainly shal However one thing about Agnes is confusing me. Her place of birth is so often given as Tarant Hinton Dorset, however she seems to have been the sole heiress of Thomas Burte of Shabington Buckinghamshire, and her place of residence as Merton Oxfordshire, that was presumably while she was married to William Tipping. Their sons are given as Thomas December 1531 and John as between 1531 1560. However as John was named as Heir to family, I assume the earlier dates are true, Thoas did not die untill 1601. Does any of this make sencce?
Best Regards Jude

Hi Jude, Thank you so much for your investigations. I didn't even know they had a son 'John", Thomas is the only one I have seen mentioned before. From what I understand the Aristocracy often had a 'City' residence and a 'Country' residence. Usually so that they could escape from the heat of summer and out breaks of disease in the city. So I guess sometimes it is hard to determine exactly where a mother was when she gave birth. city house, country estate, staying with family etc...

Yes it does. I have no proof but here is what I think: I think Thomas and John were born between 1531 and 1546. I think Thomas and only Thomas died in 1601 and somehow this was reported as Williams death in error. If Agnes married Thomas Jordan in June 1547 then William would have died no later than June 1546, social customs dictated a year of mourning.

Hi Barbra, yes all that starts to make sense, but here is another odd one Thomas and Agnes second son Robert, Samuels dad is given as a birth date 1562, and a death date of 1589, the same as his father Thomas. That would make him a very young man and is pretty unlikely any way. Erica Howton has suggested that Robert was married once before Sarah Winter, and that marriage might have produced Samuel. Lots to be looked at. I have been sorting out Samuels first wife Anne Baker,seperating her from her sister Frances Baker who married a chap called Bowling, Same Dad different Mums!. But now you have started me off on the Cecily line and the . Wiil srart digging!

Thank you Jude, isn't it aggravating how people will combine sisters into 1 person as seems to have happened with Anne Baker and Frances Baker being clumped into one Frances Anne Baker. From what I understand this happens often with cousins Cecily Phippen and Jane Phippen who are also relatives of Samuel Jordan and some speculate to be the mother of his 2nd wife Cecily(?) Bailey Jordan. more puzzles .If you don't mind my asking what are your primary research sources?

Hi Barbra. Sorry for the delay, we have just had a week away in the north of England to see Hadrians Wall, and Bamburgh Castle. Not to be recommended at this time of year in a motorhome! We come from the soft south near Salisbury, and I have never been so cold, dog loved it especially swimming in the North Sea! Idjut!
I start by puting up the profile of the person on lets say Geni, and then follow their mum and dad back as far as I can. Taking great care with the dates given. I then compare with all other sites.What happens then is that info starts coming in, mainly from Ancestry and Wikapeia, mostly giving you their sources so you can investigate further.Sometimes even more odd things happn. When I was researching Anne Baker something came up on my screen , a photo copy of the visitations of London, giving me her whole family tree. Even more peculiar I was researching Christie Chantmarle one of Samuels GGs when an advertisment came up on the screen Chantmarle Manor for sale!! I called the Estate Agents, and asked how in earth they had done that, and they hadn't got a clue. They asked me if I would like to view. I told them I really did not have that sort of money, and they said under the circumstances I was welcome to go and have a look so I did. Fabulous, and some of the house that was there in Christie's time was still incorporated within the house as she is today. Not very scientific, but it works!
Best Wishes Jude. PS I will be starting that proceedure this week with Cicily leys see!

That is so amazing, and I am so Jealous !! Hadrians Wall and Bamburgh Castle ? Wow, Just Wow. I am such a history nerd. My husband says I was born in the wrong century. I just wish I had the means to travel and see it all in person. I live in Virginia, near where Samuel Jordan lived actually, and have seen many historical sites near here but have never been outside the US. And Chantmarle Manor, sigh, I would have been so tickled I probably would have peed my pants. Woops theres my classic American lack of tact, sorry. It sounds like you had a wonderful holiday. Thank you so much for all your efforts.

Hi Barbra I havent disappeared, its just that my better half decided to have what everyone thought was a heart attach, then it turned out not to be, but nobody knows what it is!
Very basic research. Agnes Burte was Cecily Jordans mother. Cecily married a Robert Pippin, they had a daughter called cecily who married Thomas Reynalds, they had a daughter Cecily Reynalds born 1600.The family left for Virginia on the Swan about 1610. Somewhere along the line Cecily married a Mr Bailey, and they had a daughter called Temperence. Mr Baily died, and Cecily married Samuel Jordan of Jordans Journey. Please anybody feel free to add or subtract from this. As I said it is very basic research
Berbra, I was working as a steward the other day in Romsey Abbey. The founder Edward the Elder, son of Alfred the Great, arrives right in the middle of the Jordan line. How cool is that?!
Best Regards
Jude

Hi Barbra. That was wrong! It was Agnes Burte who married William Tipping before she married Thomas, so Cecily is his daughter. Which is rather less family involvment than her being Thomas daughter.
JUDE

Hi Jude, So sorry to hear about your father, hope that they figure out what is wrong and that he is feeling better soon. My friends son is having similar issues. Chest pain, difficulty breathing, they have done all kinds of tests and all they can come up with is 'possibly acid reflux'. We expect doctors to know everything yet so much about medicine is still evolving. Of course sometimes you get good doctors and sometimes you don't! When I was 21 I went to the Emergency Room with chest pain and difficulty breathing, they told me my bra was to tight!!! that I was too young to have a heart attack. It wasn't a heart attack, it was a collapsed lung. If I had not insisted on further examination they would have sent me home and left it as ill fitting clothes. We are our own (and our families) best advocates !
Am I understanding you right and Edward the Elder is related to the Jordans? Alfred the Great is really cool, his daughter Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians is one of my favorite historical figures.

Well I suppose its good to hear that we in England are not the only people with medical idiots in charge!! Edward the Elder comes into the Jordan family through Margaret Brasseur wife of Thomas the Quaker, grandson of Samuel Jordan of Jordans Journey. Thomas was my 7th GG. The line goes back 25 generations to Alfred the Great.all ggs ie grandmothers or grand fathers. Therefor Aethelflead Lady of the Mercians becomes a great Aunt!. If your line is similar I can give you all 25 for you to look at..Let me know
Best Wishes Jude. ps All the research was done on Geni, so you will have easy access to it