Lucia de Thweng - “An Everyday Story of Knightly Folk”

Started by Erica Howton on Friday, February 1, 2019
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Enjoyed reading this article about the much married Lucy Thweng

* Thirteenth Century England IX: Proceedings of the Durham Conference 2001 edited by Michael Prestwich, R. H. Britnell, Robin Frame. “An Everyday Story of Knightly Folk.” Pages 153 - 157 [https://books.google.com/books?id=ZS6u8F5TzMQC&lpg=PA156&ot... GoogleBooks]

:)

Especially liked how she just didn’t show up when ordered to “get thee to a nunnery.”

I'm very fond of her indeed.

Wait - it looks like she partnered with her cousin Marmaduke Thweng, and that was the first child ? The daughter Joan perhaps ?

Which Marmaduke?

Oh eek and there’s another one - Peter de MAULEY

From http://www.everingham.com/family/data2/article015.html

Robert’s daughter Lucy is almost worthy of an essay in her own right. Marmaduke had inherited the Thweng lands upon the death of his father, valued at seven knight’s fees, and by 1271 he held sixteen and a half fees. Around this time he gave Kilton Castle to his son Robert and took up residence at Danby, some six miles to the south of the traditional family home. The move to a more comfortable, less protected residence reflects the relative peace in the kingdom after the years of turmoil that had gone before. When her father died, Marmaduke arranged for Robert’s fiefs at Kilton, Thwing and Lund to go to his second son, also called Marmaduke, whilst Lucy retained the land given to Marmaduke as part of the partition of the de Brus land. This made Lucy an extremely eligible woman.
She was only around four or five years of age at the time of her father’s death and naturally became the ward of Edward I, who gave custody to the younger Marmaduke. Lucy spent her childhood at Kilton and aged fifteen was given in marriage to William le Latimer the Younger, whose family had close connections to the King. Marmaduke opposed such a move as he wanted Lucy to marry his eldest son and thus keep the de Brus land in the family. However, Edward obviously had a great deal of influence over this marriage and encouraged by William le Latimer the Elder, who stood to gain vast tracts of land, the wedding went ahead in August 1294. Lucy strongly disliked her husband, and he distrusted her, and within a year of marriage she had left his home and returned to Kilton as the mistress of her cousin, Marmaduke, her former custodian. However, this relationship failed to last. When Marmaduke was away fighting in Scotland c.1304, Lucy fled Kilton and became the mistress of the young Peter de Mauley, who was approximately eighteen years of age at the time, compared to Lucy’s twenty-five. According to I’Anson, the King ordered Lucy to be returned to her first husband William but this never occurred. Her relationship with de Mauley was almost as short-lived as her marriage for she soon left him for Nicholas de Menyll of Whorlton, a baron of fearsome repute. By 1307 Lucy had born Menyll an illegitimate son. Around this time William le Latimer applied for and obtained a divorce and the king’s escheator took into royal hands Lucy’s inheritance at Yarm, Brunne, Skinningrove and Brotton. Lucy married twice more, firstly to Robert Everingham in 1313, who died on service in Scotland three years later, and then in 1320 to Batholomew de Fanacourt at the age of 41. Fanacourt fought against the royalist forces at Boroughbridge in 1322, who, ironically enough, were commanded by Lucy’s first husband William le Latimer. Latimer’s victory must have tasted all the sweeter.

There has to have been death date confusion about the Marmadukes

Marmaduke de Thweng, Master of Kilton Seen as dead 1297 which is impossible if he’s away fighting the Scots in 1304.

http://www.everingham.com/family/data2/article015.html

There is a lot of confusion with birth sndcdeath dates of the different Marmadukes, and also with which spouse or parent they belong to. (Thweng is one of my ancestral families).

Any clarity you can offer is always much appreciated.

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