Maud d'Eiville de Wauton - Parents?

Started by Erica Howton on Monday, January 28, 2019
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It's looking sane now.

Disconnected Simeon de Walton, of Steeple Bumstead in Essex - it’s a different family.

Since i see Maud's Mom is now "Isabel unknown" i will come one last time with possible mother:

Elizabeth Isabel Shirley
BIRTH 1230 • Shirley, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England
DEATH 1266 • Oswestry, Shropshire, England

see some examples [of course i don't find official]:

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/carlisle-faulk-family/I108558.php

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/carlisle-faulk-family/I112065.php
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https://www.genealogieonline.nl/demmers-harmeijer-extended-family/I...

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/pop-oswald-tree/P8071.php

Private User We’ve proved that’s impossible.

Owen Glendower is a notable descendant of Maud & Lord Knockin. And he absolutely does “not” have Shirley Ancestry.

Visitations report that Elizabeth Shirley married John de Wauton (son of Simon, Bishop of Norwich) & that her brother James Shirley married Agnes de Wauton (daughter of Simon, Bishop of Norwich). That very well might be, but they say nothing about issue of these marriages.

John de Wauton died 1277 leaving a widow Isabel and under age daughter Maud; Isabel next married Henry le Foun.

Shirley studies say nothing about a second marriage for Elizabeth.

They were two different people.

You notice your tree source cites the same source:

Copied from the Stradling family website "www.stradling.org.uk/docs/Oth_recs.htm":

"Victoria County History of Warwickshire."His successor Sir John de Wauton died in or shortly before 1277, leaving a widow Isabel, who married Henry le Foun, and a young daughter Maud ...”

The original of that quote is at Victoria County Histories (VCH) which Anne Brannen mentioned upthread as being very good. Searching for keyword Maud:

'Parishes: Wellesbourne with Walton', in A History of the County of Warwick: Volume 5, Kington Hundred, ed. L F Salzman (London, 1949), pp. 193-198. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol5/pp193-198 [accessed 30 January 2019].

. In January 1246 Mr. Simon de Wauton (or Walton) received a grant (fn. 40) of a weekly market on Wednesday and a fair on the eve and day of SS. Peter and Paul at his manor of LITTLE WELLESBOURNE. This Mr. Simon, who bought property in Walton Deyville (see below), became Bishop of Norwich in 1258 and died in 1265. (fn. 41) His successor Sir John de Wauton died in or shortly before 1277, (fn. 42) leaving a widow Isabel, who married Henry le Foun, (fn. 43) and a young daughter Maud. She married Sir John de Strattelinges, or Stradling, and they had a regrant of the market and fair at Little Wellesbourne in 1290. (fn. 44) Sir John was dead by February 1293 (fn. 45) and Maud married John Lestrange of Knockin, who died in 1309, leaving a son John. (fn. 46) As her third husband she married Thomas Hastang, (fn. 47) who was returned in 1316 as holding Walton with the hamlet of Wellesbourne, (fn. 48) which from this time onwards becomes known as WELLESBOURNE HASTANG, (fn. 49) or more often HASTINGS, or WELLESBOURNE LESTRANGE, and descends with the manors of Walton.

John de Wauton died in 1277 (fn. 62) and his widow Isabel married Henry le Foun. (fn. 63) John's heir, his daughter Maud, was a child, and in 1278 Henry and Isabel conveyed the manors of Walton and other lands to Walter Giffard, Archbishop of York. (fn. 64) On the death of Walter in the following year these estates passed to his brother Godfrey Giffard, Bishop of Worcester, who in 1281 conveyed them to Robert Burnel, Bishop of Bath and Wells, for life, with remainder to Maud, whom he undertook to marry to one of the elder sons of either his brother Hugh Burnel or of Sir Robert de Escales. (fn. 65) As already mentioned, however, Maud married first Sir John de Strattelinges and secondly John Lestrange of Knockin, and thirdly Thomas Hastang. At the time that Henry le Foun and Isabel conveyed their rights to Walter Giffard, Thomas son of Gervase de Wauton lodged a protest against the fine, and in 1285 he granted to Bishop Robert Burnel the homage and ser vice of Maud for these estates, which she held of him. (fn. 66) Although Burnel's interest was apparently only for life, his heir Edward Burnel at his death in 1316 was said to possess a knight's fee in Walton Deyville which Thomas Hastang was holding in right of his wife Maud. (fn. 67)

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