Eoghin Gillemicheal MacDuff, Abbot of Abernethy - Sources?

Still not finding any. I'd like to remove him as a son of Gille Míchéil MacDuff, Earl of Fife
Erica Howton - are you good with this?

Sharon Doubell - it’s a Burke’s based construction. I’m wondering if he’s Eoghin (Hugh) of FIFE and should be merged into Hugh (Eoghin) of Fife rather than disconnected. They’re both the father of Orm, lay abbott of Abernethy I think.

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/213860/P1716/hugh-macduff/individual, naming Hugh, has citations and some garbled narrative.

Family

Hugh Macduff (Gillimichael Macduff 3rd Earl of /Fife/, Duff Maceth 2nd Earl of /Fife/, Heth Aethelred 1st Earl of /Fife/, Malcolm III Canmore King of /Scotland/) was born Abt. 1125 in Methil, Fifeshire, Scotland, and died 1168.

Children of Hugh /Macduff/ Abbot of Abernethy are:

1. Hugo II Macduff was born Abt. 1148 in Methil, Fifeshire, Scotland, and died 1200.
2. Orm De Abernethy was born Abt. 1165, and died Abt. 1185.

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Eoghin/Hugh; hereditary Abbot of Aberneth, on the River Tay. [Burke's Peerage] Hugh, who lived during the reigns of Alexander I, David I, and perhaps Malcolm the Maiden.

The first famous Secular peer of the Culdee monastery at Abernethy was Hugh De Abernethy, possibly the grandson of Ethelred (Aedh). The Culdees were primitive Christian priests of Pictish or Scottish origin, discovered in Britain in the 6th Century AD by St. Augustine. Hugh's son was named Ormly or Orm, and he received royal grants of land from King William the Lion. Orm's son was Lawrence, the first to use Abernethy as a surname. He was born about 1167 AD. Lawrence's son was named Hugh, born about 1197. Hugh was involved in a minor insurrection against King Alexander III, when he abducted the young King briefly, but was later pardoned by the King. However, later Sir Hugh was involved with his sons Patrick and William, and Sir William Percy in the assassination of the regent, the Earl of Fife. When the plotters were arrested, Percy was executed, Sir Hugh and son William died in prison, but the actual assassin, Patrick, escaped to France and lived there until his death. Hugh's remaining son was Alexander, whose mother was known as Mary, Queen of Man.

http://www.open.org/glennab/abernethyfamilyhistory.htm

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Sources

• 1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999 Page: p. 2538 Source: S-254291544
• 2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999 Page: 2538 Source: S-254291544
• 3. Title: The Scottish Nation; or the Surnames, Families, Literature, Honours, and Biographical History of the People of Scotland; Wm Anderson {1864}

Page: I:14 Source: S-254289944

• 4. Title: The Scots Peerage; Sir James Balfour Paul {1904-1914, 2000 rev} with Addenda et Corrigenda {2000} Page: VII:396 Source: S-254290576

https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ff/fife1.php Has

• 1. Constantine, 2nd Earl of Fife (d 1129) succeeded by ...
  • A. Gillemichael, 3rd Earl of Fife (d by 07.1136)
    • i. Duncan, 4th Earl of Fife (d 1154)
    • ii. Hugh (Eoghin) of Fife
      • a. Hugh (Egius) of Fife This Hugh was long identified as father of John of (Wemyss and) Methil, ancestor of the Wemyss family, but according to TSP (Wemyss) that connection has since been disproved as John's father has since been confirmed as Michael of (Wemyss and) Methil whose wife may have been a daughter of Earl Gillemichael.
      • b. Orm de Abernethy (a 1172/3) -- Orm, son of Hugh, is identified in TSP (Saltoun), and also 'Fife (P&H)', as ancestor of the Abernethy family. BP1999 (Saltoun) identifies that Hugh as son of Gillemichael, 3rd Earl of Fife. That claim was not made for BP1934 (Saltoun) so it is assumed that some additional evidence has been found to justify that identification.
    • iii. Ete of Fife J m. Gartnait, Earl of Buchan

Stirnet Cites “ Main source(s): TSP (Fife), TSP (Atholl), TCP (Fife), 'Fife (P&H)' ”

The British Chronicles, Volume 2 By David Hughes. Page 552. Shows brothers Duncan, Hugh & Eoghin, and shows (W)Orm , abbot of Abernathy, (father of Lawrence), as son of Hugh. Eoghin Is father of Michael of Wemyss, which Stirnet is saying has been disproved.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZABSepHO1FMC&pg=PA552&lpg=PA552&d...

Private User I don’t recall Hughes’ reputation, I know he has one.

This describes the book in detail.

https://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/british_royalty.htm

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So I am getting that some have Hugh and his brother Hugh, and others combine them. The ones who keep it separate have Abernathy from the lay Abbotts and Wemyss from Eoghin of the anachronistic name.

Early Scottish Charters: Prior to A.D. 1153 edited by Archibald Campbell Lawrie. Page 318. GoogleBooks p. 57. Gillemichel the Earl was the son of Constantine, Earl of Fife. As Gillemichel Macduf he witnessed the charter to Dunfermline, LXXIV., ante, p. 63, with his father, the Earl. He succeeded to the Earldom about 1129. As Earl he witnessed charters Lxxxiv., p. 69; CIII., p. 82, and CLIII., p. 119. Though G. E. C. (Complete Peerage) says that Earl Gillemichel died in 1139, he died certainly before 1136, when his son Duncan was Earl ; and, if we can trust a charter in the Book of Deer, Duncan was Earl as early as 1131-32. Earl Gillemichel had a second son, Hugh, whose son, Egius, was a benefactor to the Priory of St. Andrews.

I’m feeling pretty good about this::

Hugh MacDuff, 2nd son of Earl Gillemichel, had 2 sons; Hugh / Aed / Giles, and Orm.

Cawley is, I think, unconvinced of the Abrrnethy descent, so he only has “Giles” as Hugh’s son.

If I got it right, we can merge Hugh (Eoghin) of Fife into Hugh (Eoghin) of Fife and Orm, lay abbott of Abernethy into Orm, lay abbott of Abernethy

I'd say so. Thanks for all the research guys. I'm not a Burke's (or anybody) -without-a-primary-source devotee, but if you're all agreed here, I'll merge those.

We have the charters, that’s as good as it gets.

Sorry, I didn't see the ref to the charters

But they don't confirm Orm etc

I’m reposting for formatting.

(Egius = Giles = Hugh MacHugh)

Early Scottish Charters: Prior to A.D. 1153 edited by Archibald Campbell Lawrie. Page 233 GoogleBooks

In the latter part of the twelfth century Duncan, Earl of Fife, granted the church of Markinch to the Priory of St. Andrews, which grant was confirmed by Robert, Bishop of St. Andrews (Reg. Prior. St. And., pp. 43, 152, 242), with the pertinents, i.e. twenty meli of cheese and a pig. Egius the son of Hugh the son of Gillemichel, Earl of Fife, granted to the Canons of St. Andrews the church of Markinch with its tithes and a toft on the east of the church (Reg. Prior. St. And., p. 216). Between A.D. 1203-1228, Malcolm, Earl of Fife, confirmed his father Earl Duncan's grant of the church of Markinch to St. Andrews (p. 244),

Here’s another reference to Orm in Charters

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mainegenie/genealogy/ABERNETH.htm

2I. ORM (HUGH 1)

d.c.1185

Orm is listed as son of Hugh and probably succeeded his father as Lay Abott of the Culdee monastery. He witnessed a charter by Ernaldus or Arnold, Bishop of St. Andrews between Nov. 1160 and sept. 1162.(1) Orm also witnessed a charter of William the Lion. (2)

Orm exchanged the lands of Balbirnie with Duncan, Earl of Fife, for the lands of Glendukie and balmeadow in Fife, a transaction confirmed by King William the Lion between 1165 and 1171. Also during this time King William bestowd on Orm, son of Hugh, the lands of Invaryhten reserving to the King the service due for these lands, likewise commanding that any natives and fugitives pertaining to them, be not unjustly detained by other owners. Orm is the first of the family who is found bearing the territorial appellation 'de Abernethy' as it was to him the King William granted the charter of the abbacy of Abernethy between 1172 and 1178 with all the rights as they stood the year and day when King David, the King's grandfather was living, except the £10 lands which the King gave to Henry Revel with the daughter of said Orm; to be held to him and his heirs free of all services and customs except common aid, common hosting, and common carriage, with soc, sac, tol and theme, and infangthef; paying yearly £20 of silver, £10 at the feast of St. John the Baptist and £10 at the feast of St. Bride. he was to have neither pit nor gallows but at two places, Abernethy and Inerarichtin and the King willed that Orm's men of Fife and Gowry should come to the 'mote' or 'pit' of Abernethy and those of his other lands to the mote or pit of Inverarity.(3)

Issue-

3I. LAURENCE-
II. Michael-
III. Margaret- m. Henry Revel
Ref:

(1) Reg. Prior. Saint Andrews- 131-2
(2) Lib. Eccl. Saint Trinitat. de Scon.- No. 34
(3) The Scots Peerage- Vol.VII, pp.396-7

:-) You need to send this to Cawley. He's gratifyingly willing to engage.

It would be better with the actual published charters, which is medievalist scope. I wouldn’t be able to read and interpret them.

I’ve separated Devorguilla (unknown) wife of Laurence de Abernethy, lay abbot of Abernethy from Devorguilla of Galloway

There’s no reference I see to suggest they were the same woman.

Do we have references for her namesake grand daughter, Devorguilla de Abernethy who married William de Montfitchet ?

Found references.

References

• https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/genealogy/aqwg2424.htm#49253 cites
  • 1. Ravilious, John, The Ancestry of Margaret Danielston, 20 November 2005., p. 2, soc.genealogy.medieval.
  • 2. Salzman, Louis Francis, The Victoria History of the County of Cambridge and the Isle of Ely (London: Oxford University Press, 1938-), 9:195-9, Family History Library, 942 H2vc.

I think Geni’s configuration could be misinterpretation.

I’ll see if I can find Ravlious’ research, but Hal Bradley is a careful compiler.

In fact, Cawley had updated his Devorgulla of Galloway article.

The Chronicle of Melrose records in 1233 that "Alan of Galloway gave…his sister to Walter Biseth"[1174]. m (1233[1175]%29 WALTER Bisset, son of ---. He was outlawed with his nephew John Bisset whom he had incited to murder Patrick of Galloway Earl of Atholl, his wife's nephew[1176]. Walter Bisset incited Henry III King of England to march north intending to invade Scotland in 1244, but a treaty of peace was concluded 24 Aug 1244[1177].

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Devorguill...

Here’s the Ravilious discussion:

SP Addition: the Ancestry of Margaret Danielston (conjectured)
John P. Ravilious GoogleBooks soc.Gen.medieval, 5 November, 2005

More from Ravilious:

• John P. Ravilious: the Montfichet family of Cargill & c.GoogleGroup soc.Gen.medieval, Saturday, 25 April, 2009

RE https://www.geni.com/discussions/188869?msg=1529327

Geni's present configuration is likely a result of the merges I did above on Hugh and Orm > there were numbers of knock on merges initiated to try to keep all the managers on the merged profiles.

Shew - go you for all the work :-)
Have you sorted it? Do you need any help with loose ends?
Did you RL to make sure they don't get re-merged?

RE: https://www.geni.com/discussions/188869?msg=1529273

He'd probably be able to find the charters referenced himself, if you pointed it out to him. I find him refreshingly down to earth and willing to chat for someone who has created such an enormous resource of primary evidence for free use. He definitely wants to add new info that isn't there yet.

Would love more eyes on on the descent.