Who are the parents of Thomas White Melville WINDER

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Thomas White Melville Winder, Free Settler "Frederick" 1817 is on Geni as
* born 1789 London
* died 1853 Australia
* father Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1769-1852)
* mother Elizabeth Dundas

Can anyone add any sources for his parents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wellesley,_1st_Duke_of_Wellington
Arthur WESLEY / WELLESLEY married Kitty PAKENHAM on 10/4/1806 and had 2 children
* 1807 Arthur
* 1808 Charles

https://www.hafs.org.au/winder-family-w/2017/06/04/

"Tom White Melville Winder was, according to family tradition since his children’s lifetimes, the son of Arthur Wesley, later known as Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington, and Lady Mary Melville. (There is no Lady Mary Melville recorded in the period, however Elizabeth Rennie, wife of Henry Dundas, Viscount Melville, divorced her husband in 1779, and lived on an annuity for several decades.) According to these traditions, he was born c.1787, raised in the Lake District, apparently by Quaker adherents. One family tradition says that he was raised by a Miss Whyte, giving him his second name, and that he took the name Winder from Lake Windermere. There is no documentation regarding Thomas’s parentage or these traditions. "

Here is a link to Elizabeth RANNIE wife of Henry DUNDAS Elizabeth Rannie

https://www.myheritage.com/person-5000016_179896132_179896132/thoma...

The Honourable Thomas White Melville Winder was, according to different family traditions, the illegitimate son of Arthur Wellesley (Then Wesley), the Duke of Wellington. When the Duke-to-be was 17, in March 1787, his brother Lord Mornington obtained a commission for him as Ensign with the 73rd (Highland) Regiment in Scotland. During his time with this regiment he met Lady Elizabeth Dundas, the former wife of Sir Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville. Elizabeth was the daughter and heiress of David Rennie. She and Henry had been married on 16/8/1765. They had four children, but were divorced in 1779. Henry remarried another woman in 1793. Elizabeth was thought to have married an Everand Fawkner after her divorce, but this is not substantiated by the Fawkner family. Elizabeth is believed to have given birth to a child by Arthur Wesley, probably in 1788. Tradition states that the child was named Thomas White Melville and was sent to the Lakes District of England, where he was raised by a quaker family. He took the surname Winder after Lake Windermere where he lived. He was given enough capital to give him a good start in life. These traditions seem well supported as it is obvious from their dispersion throughout the family, that Thomas Winder himself said that his father was Arthur Wellesley. Also Elizabeth and Arthur were known to be in the "right place at the right time".

9/28/2019 at 4:09 PM

have any descendants of Thomas White Melville Winder tested for DNA ??
thank you
john f headen

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