John "of Carnwath" Somerville, 3rd Lord Somerville - Inconsistencies

Started by Sharon Doubell on Wednesday, September 12, 2018
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9/12/2018 at 5:54 AM

Some crazy stuff has gone on here:

SmartCopyConsistency The age of Helen Somerville exceeds 105 years.Lady Johanna (Mowat) Somerville is over 55 years old for the birth of her child Lord William Somerville.Lady Johanna (Mowat) Somerville is under 12 years old for the birth of her child Hon. Margaret (Somerville) Kirkpatrick.Sir William Somerville, 2nd Lord Somerville is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Hon. Margaret (Somerville) Kirkpatrick.John "of Carnwath" Somerville, 3rd Lord Somerville is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Elizabeth Somerville.Helen Hepburn is under 12 years old for the birth of her child Elizabeth Somerville.

9/13/2018 at 3:27 AM

http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royaldescents/magruder.htm (respected professional) has a descent from Elizabeth Somerville who seems duplicated as her aunt Elizabeth Somerville

The aunt tree position works better with Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell dates frankly. It’s not what TSP has though.

5/21/2020 at 6:43 PM

This has been brought up again.

Here’s the page in TSP calling Elizabeth’s father “John, third lord Somerville of Carnwath.”

https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun01pauluoft#page/354/mode...

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe... shows

This marriage is suspect because it appears that Elizabeth's husband died before her parents married. Even allowing for inconsistencies on the numberings of the Lords, the dates appear not to match yet this marriage is reported in various sources, including TCP (Argyll). This will be investigated further in due course.

[http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/somerville02.htm]

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Do we want to just make a different “third lord” as her father? Or a NN?

Her son’s dates are firm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Campbell,_1st_Earl_of_Argyll

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5/22/2020 at 3:08 AM

The birth and death dates awarded to Lady Elizabeth Somerville seem likely to be fictitious. In my opinion they should be removed from her profile. If it is possible to block these fields then it should be done. The Scots Peerage accounts, both for Campbell, Earl of Argyll, and Somerville, Lord Somerville, make no mention of her date of birth, or her date of death, most likely because these dates could not be identified from authentic records.

5/22/2020 at 3:24 AM

Done.

5/22/2020 at 3:28 AM

Here’s the alternative profile we had set up:

Elizabeth Somerville

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