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Macute ‘Mathew’ Pratt Shows Thomas Pratt & Elizabeth Pratt as his parents, they were of Aston Clinton.

But I think the records you’re seeing must refer to a different person from the colonist.

Or his parents are wrong.

Here’s a source

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Thomas_Pratt_%2836%29_

Allyn R Pratt

From https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Macute_Pratt_%281%29

He had a child baptized in England in 1636/37 and one born in New England in 1639.

There is no known relationship with Phineas Pratt of the Sparrow

Phineas Pratt

A couple of eminent genealogists have published articles on Macute & joe Origins:

Frederick J. Nicholson, The English Origin of Macuth (or Matthew) Pratt and Edward1 Bates of Weymouth, MA, in The American Genealogist (TAG). (Donald Lines Jacobus, et.al.), 65:33-43, 89-96, 1990. TAG 65:33-43 and TAG 65:89-96

The articles are online at American Ancestors (requires subscription).

I’ll see what The Great Migration Project has to say, which is more current, but frankly you are seeing one of those rare accurate English pedigrees.

This is an example, by the way, on how looking at raw data is not enough: it needs to be assembled into a story that all hangs together.

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000086721068915?idx=0&re...

I dunno...Geni is a brilliant messy tangle of yarn some days
Help?!

The wives of Abraham Bledsoe are a confusing matter.

https://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Virginia%20Early%20Families... Shows him married twice, and https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0832... has him married 3 times - wives 1 & 2 both bring Katherine’s, daughters of Thomas Balls.

I’m inclined to agree with Colonial Ancestors, as American Families notes Catherine deceased in 1706, but with Katherine children born after that date:

That same day in Lancaster County, John and Elizabeth Burne sold Abraham
Bledsoe, a parcel of land known formerly as the Thomas Ball plantation.

On July 18, 1706, the case of Abraham Bledsoe and wife Kate, late Katherine Ball, against John Burne and wife Elizabeth, administrators of Thomas Ball, was heard in Northumberland County.

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Unless I’m misinterpreting “late Catherine Ball ...”

Here's another one: David Fletcher
It doesn't look too bad on the surface, but I haven't dug deeper. He has two parents and I don't know which ones are correct.

Thanks!

William Gregory Is born in Canada & cannot have been the same person as William Henry Gregory, Jr. of North Carolina.

Jerome ? Sources ?

@Erica Howton sorry if the tree's incorrect! I was referencing info I found on WikiTree and on findagrave.com.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189674200/john-joseph-gregory

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gregory-4704

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gregory-4704 Is screwed up. How can a man in North Carolina have a son born in Nova Scotia?

Wikitree cites this rootweb database

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ildaunewtest&...

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ildaunewtest&...

William H. Little Tom GREGORY was born ABT 1815 in , of Smith, , of TN. He was the son of 2. William Henry Hawkins "Squire Bill" GREGORY and 3. Martha BLEDSOE.

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I will disconnect William Gregory for you so you can find his correct ancestry.

Sorry for all your efforts ! Oye, I hope you notify Wikitree of the parent error.

I know offhand that a lot of people in Nova Scotia are descended from American Loyalists, but I'll definitely have to look more into this. Appreciate the response, thank you!

You’ll find that the Loyalists who resettled in Canada came from close by - Massachusetts, New York, etc. Not from North Carolina; too far away.

So I’ve placed James Madison White as a son of John White, of Giles County & Elizabeth White if that’s OK with Diana Collins & Private User & Private User

Argument against:

- not listed as a child in this study https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/tngiles.rootsweb.com/thr...
- I don’t think any descendants are listed in a search of the DAR database for patriot William White

Argument for:

- Birth date & place fits perfectly
* had a child called William Newton White (1835-1854). And John White (d 1815) named a son Newton S White.

I’ll continue to look for supporting evidence.

Thanks for all this great work Erica Howton!

May I ask you please to complete pending merges for Myles Standish of the Mayflower & his wife Barbara and child Charles. We had four copies of Charles so I am merging them. Myles Standish had two sons named Charles: 1) Charles b ca. 1624 d after 22 May 1627 and bef. 1634 and 2) Charles b after 1634 d. after 7 Mar 1655/6 (will) d. unm. No Plymouth Colony Probate or Land Records.

Pending merges:

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000086789868840?from_flash=1...

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000077767922252?fsession_id=...

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000001648910007?from_flash=1...

Thanks in advance!

Merges done. Great to welcome new members to the Standish tree - but if only they could find their way to the existing tree more around 1900 than 1600 ...

Erica Howton Thanks for fixing.

Private User Your Fletcher tree looks OK to me, I don’t see any conflicts.

@Erica Howton...somebody else must have fixed it. Thanks for looking at it, though!

I merged the rest of the new Standish branch in down to 1800.

May we please lock these two new NN parents from the top to Marhitable Bryant?

Mehitable Bryant

And let's lock relationships for Josiah2 Standish. I've pruned his children to fit MF:

Lt. Josiah Standish

Sources:

Robert S Wakefield, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations Descendants of the Pilgrims Who Landed in Plymouth Massachusetts December 1620 Volume 14 Myles Standish (2007) 6-7

American Ancestors, vol 153, p 413+, D. Alden Smith, "The Descendants of Stephen Bryant of Plymouth, and of his Son-in-Law Lt. John Bryant of Plympton," p 422, “4. v. STEPHEN BRYANT, b. 2 Feb. 1657[note 78] m. (1) MEHITABLE ____, (2) SARAH MAGOUN.”

14 Jun 2017 communication from the Mayflower Society

Thanks!

I need help merging these two profiles:

Anne Samson

Into MP:

Anne Samson

And then set single set of parents for her son:

Caleb Sampson

One more please. I'm moving Eunice Standish from the family Myles1 Standish - Alexander2 Standish Thomas3 Standish (disconnection went OK):

Eunice Williams

But I need to move her to Thomas Standish or Weatherfield and Mary Church and I get permission denied. We should probably lock her after she is moved so she doesn't float back.

Source:

"Thomas and Rebecca William of Wethersfield, Conn" In The American Genealogist (2004) 79: 53

Under ii Jacob Williams

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-th...

One last one for the Standish family. According to MF his child did not exist:

Alexander Standish, Jr. {Fictional}

Robert S Wakefield, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations Descendants of the Pilgrims Who Landed in Plymouth Massachusetts December 1620 Volume 14 Myles Standish (2007) 4-5

Other than that all his relationships have been double checked and are no correct.

Roland Henry Baker, III The Standishes are done. A couple more Eunice Williams showed up - do we have Capt. Jacob Williams, Jr. parents ?

I found the Williams.

Eunice (Standish) Williams is Thomas Williams, of Wethersfield's grandson's wife.
Thomas Williams, of Wethersfield
→ Capt. Jacob Williams, Sr.
his son → Capt. Jacob Williams, Jr.
his son → Eunice (Standish) Williams
his wife

Brava Erica Howton on the Standish mess.

Sarah Olmstead and Sarah Olmstead appear to be the same person. The 2nd profile was added this past December.

No merge caused this. The 2nd profile was added as his wife with parents!! Grrr!!!

Thanks Erica! Sorry I forgot to post a link to the Williams and the proper Standish family but you found them!

Following up I found the MP for the Church family and merged this one in but I need to have a pending merge resolved for the duplicate father's of John Church here:

John Church of Hartford

That one wouldn't merge. Otherwise it all checks out.

Then we have the MP tree for Thomas1 Standish here:

Thomas Standish, of Wethersfield

Thomas1 Standish married to Susannah Smith (Right now we have Sussanah Francis which is not correct and the name is locked):

Winthrop Notes" written by Gov. Dr John Winthrop Jr: "Standish p 328. Thos. Standish wife, dau. of old Rchd Smith of Wethersfield. 1658."

She was actually one of the children of this Richard Smith and Rebecca Buswell:

Richard Smith, of Wethersfield

Since names are locked, etc. I think I should let you complete the links, etc if that's OK.

Sources:

Edgar F. Waterman, Richard Smith of Wethersfield, American Genealogist 1949, 25:126
https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-th...

Harris, Gale Ion. The Doubtful English Ancestry of Richard Smith of Wethersfield, Connecticut. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Jul1989), 143:244.

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-...

Thompson, Neil D. Isaac Buswell and Rebecca (Buswell) Smith of Husbands Bosworth, Co. Leicester, and New England. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Jan 2004), 158:38.

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-...

I'll add sources to her profile.

Thanks!

Regarding James Olmstead b c1520 and wife Alice:

James Olmsted

I have not spent as much time on this family as others. But I do notice that in Genealogy of the Olmsted family in America says descended from Richard Olmsestede on page "x"

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89069666014;view=1up;seq=20

The authors state that James (A) Olmstead b c 1550 who married Jane Bristow was son of the above James and Alice Olmstead. Then the authors punt and state that this James b 1520 was probably a descendant of Richard Olmsestede but don't substantiate the claim. A few pages later they have a pedigree chart.

Do we even know for certain that this James and Alice were parents to James who married Jane Bristow? And it looks like we know nothing about the family for certain prior to James b c1520 if he is the father of James b c1550.

I notice more reliable sources such as the American Genealogist 82:38-36@36 don't use the above source at all but instead use:

Lillian Loumsberry (Miner) Selleck, One Branch of the Miner Family ed. Donald Lines Jacobus (New Haven 1928) 137

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-th...

The editor Donald Lines Jacobus is well respected and he starts the lineage with James b 1550 m Jane Bristow. The book is available in openlibrary or on Ancestry.com and the section starts on p 136:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/11018/dvm_GenMono000290-00100-...

So Jacobus doesn't include James and Alice at all.

Anderson in the Great Migration series uses the above source and also Goodwin-Morgan 1:181-4:
https://archive.org/details/variousancestral01star/page/181

He also uses Families of Old Fairfield 1:451-53

It seems clear from the Great Migration that James Olmstead b c1550 m Jane Bristow and had the immigrant James and Richard and Richard was father to the immigrants Rebecca, Richard and John. Beyond that it seems less well documented. But like I said I haven't studies this family as much as others.

William Hardin Robert / Roberts, Sr

Please unlock this person and associated family. Unable to correct dates. Shows no definitive dates. I am adding sources and building out to another family.

Thanks !!!! Ya'll rock 👏

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