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I'm also bothered by Henry Junior's wife, Cecily Hutchins Farrar. Henry was definitely married to a woman named Cecily but there's no evidence for what her maiden name was. Many sources point out that Cecily Farrar's brothers died long before Cecily Sherman did, but don't mention her or her children in their wills. Which makes me think that Cecily Farrar might have died long before they did and left no children.

The main alternate candidate is Cecily Knowles/Knowler, a sister of Capt. John Knowles. There's no real evidence for her either, but the Shermans did have a lot of interaction with the Knowles family so there might be a relationship.

This link sums up the evidence, such as it is: https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=scruffy3&...

Elizabeth Proctor is a mess: Elizabeth Proctor Her maiden name is Norton, but her parents' name is Marriott and they're younger than she is. It looks like one of her husbands might be her brother or some other close relative.

Private User I undid merges around Henry Sherman, see if that helps.

I will disconnect Cecily - Hutchins Sherman from parents & lock to “no parents” after I re create a profile for Cecily Farrar.

Cecily Sherman Has been locked to no parents with the possibilities linked in her profile “about.”

Thank you Erica Howton. That's not the happiest possible outcome, but it's the most realistic based on the available information.

@Elizabeth Proctor
I was reading the discussion on this and have an observation. Elizabeth Proctor is a newly discovered ancestor for me. I see that she was married to a Marriott, so it may be that she has incorrectly be connected to her inlaws? I don't know the lines well enough to know. But surely if she wasn't a Marriott by birth and was a Norton, the incorrect parents should be disconnected and even no parents is better than the wrong ones.

Erica: Thanks. I am working off my ipad, and it appears I would need a computer to open an additional window or tab.

I don't know where the name Norton came from for Elizabeth Marriott Proctor. I've seen a number of sources saying her maiden name was Burgess (although there doesn't seem to be any evidence for that either). The best documentation that I've seen so far is this discussion on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=429&p...

BTW George Proctor has two wives named Elizabeth who are apparently the same person in spite of some major differences in their information. Geni says that both of them are my 9th great grandmother through the exact same line of descent. I have no idea which one is more accurate, so I'll leave it for someone else to merge them.

Drew a blank on the Eastern Shore, other than a possible clue that the Burgesses were a Maryland family,. Further deponent sayeth not.

My latest problem: William Bulkeley
His profile says he was born in 1628. His mother died in 1626 (two years before his birth), his daughter was born in 1636 in Barbados (when he was 8 years old).

FamilySearch has a well-documented profile for his father Peter Bulkeley: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MF7N-YHJ William Bulkeley is not on the list of children. There are a few other trees on Family Search that list William as a child but say that his birthdate is 1618, not 1628. No documentation though, and his mother had a different child that year who did not live long enough to reproduce. None of the other Bulkeley sons have a daughter Mary that matches Willam's daughter.

Wikipedia lists a son William, citing a book on the Bulkeleys as a source; but the lack of information on William suggests that he didn't live long enough to be christened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bulkley

Mary Bulkeley (William’s alleged daughter) was married in Barbados in 1656. The rest of the Bulkeley family emigrated to Connecticut in 1635, so if William exists he may have decided to go to Barbados instead: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/LH6W-HHX The marriage record doesn't mention her parents' names, but it says very clearly that her husband's name is Thomas Switter not Thomas Witten. It's possible that the clerk misunderstood the name, and based on the documents for Thomas at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/LTTZ-YNQ it looks like the name started out as Witter and eventually ended up as Witten, possibly in a later generation.

A more likely explanation is that these aren’t the right people. According to the more complete timeline on Family Search, Mary and Thomas Witten were childless for ten years after their marriage then suddenly started cranking out lots of babies, including five that were born after Mary’s death. The one that concerns me personally is Thomas Witten, who was born during her lifetime. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/timeline/LH6W-HHX Some of these children were born in Connecticut (consistent with the Peter Bulkeley family) and some were born in Maryland (consistent with the Wittens).

There are christening records showing that Thomas Witter of Maryland had a wife named Mary, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence for her maiden name or her parents’ names. FWIW Wikitree lists William Bulkeley as Mary’s father but says his parents are unknown, and that they got the information from a family tree on Ancestry: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bulkeley-257

Anne Goode has too many parents.

One of her fathers Maj.-Gen. Richard Bennett, 1st Protectorate Governor of Virginia has two wives who appear to be the same person.

Josiah Reed (MP) has a birthdate problem - locked field.
His marriage is in 1697 - at age 9? His son, Isaac Reed, was born when he was 11?

The link has the birthdate as 1668 which makes much more sense.

Erica Howton, sorry for the delay in getting back to you about Wm. Brooks - my computer was in the repair shop for a few days.

As for the un-merge, it didn't go so well. The parents of Corp. Brooks (William and Susanna) are with the other Wm. Brooks and there is still an extra mom.

If you look at the revision list for Corp. William Brooks it looks like this William is the son of William and Jane.

My Corp. Wm. Brooks is the son of William and Susanna.

I feel they are definitely two trees mixed together.

I checked Ancestry for Jane Brooks, born 1762 in Ireland and nothing at all came up.

Please look at Elizabeth Stockdale. Per My Heritage, she is the daughter of William Brooks and Jane Mainwaring, or Jane Ash. No husband on MH and she died in Virginia. My Wm's family wasn't in Virginia, so good chance she is not in the right tree.

So this is only thing I can think of to do - create a new William Brooks, Sr. as husband of Jane.

Corp. William Brooks Husband of Susannah Wiley as parents of the PA family as per source, and the sibling locations match.

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Don’t know where he belongs. Detached William Proctor

Can anyone verify her parents ? She’s shown as unknown

Mary Proctor

I don't think that William Proctor dude belongs on the Eastern Shore, except maybe as doing occasional business there and abruptly dying on a business trip. He isn't in the Miles Files (NO Proctors before 1900 - there's a John ProctEr in the late 17th century, but he goes away again) and all of his relatives are mainside (Spotsylvania County, Surry County, etc.)

There's a few Marriotts on the Eastern Shore in the 17th century, but they disappear from the records before 1700 (move on up to Maryland/Delaware?). No Mary.

Thank you, Maven. I’ve tagged them to the “Marriott / Proctor” cleanup discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/191646?msg=1271860

They are Surry VA families.

This is really a pre-colonial question. Please let me know if I should post it somewhere else.

Page 507 of "The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants" by Gary Boyd Roberts says that there is a documented line of descent from King Henry I of England to Christopher Branch Geni agrees with most of it, but there is a break in the middle that is marked below. Here's the line working backward from Christopher Branch:

Christopher Branch 1602-1681
Lionel Branch, Gent. 1566-1605
William Branch, MP, Mayor of Abingdon 1524-1601
*****BREAK!! The book says his mother is Elizabeth Bostock Branch
Daughter of William (Richard?) Bostock
Son of Hugh Bostock
The Geni profile at Elizabeth Branch gives the line as Elizabeth Beauforest Branch
Daughter of Thomas Beauforest, II
Son of Thomas Beauforest, Sr., Deane

Working downward from Henry I, everything proceeds as it should until we hit Hugh Bostock. Geni says that he has no children: Hugh Bostock, of Edgarley

I can provide links to the entire line from Hugh Bostock to Henry I if you like, but it seems unnecessary.

Thank you.

Well actually Geni does say that Hugh Bostock has one son. But it's not the right son, and the line goes off in a different direction than what we need in the lineage of Christopher Branch.

Private User I spun off to its own discussion here:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/197631?msg=1303471

(Branchiana fan here)

This morning I found a book in my library, ”The Birth of Modern” by Paul Johnson 1815-1830 (First Edition Library of Congress Catalog Card number 90-5541Harper Collins). I inherited this from my stepfather’s many books.

What do you guys think about Paul Johnson? He wrote several books and they seem quite detailed. I noticed his books are available on the internet today. So, is this book good for decoration or actual use?

Required reading for a class I took.

Review: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/paul-johnson/the-birth-o...

Wondered why this book was around my home! Ha!

I feel sorry for my children in the future, going through bookshelves of endless books. Thanks, Erica.

Ended up with a Profile that won't merge, I think it's locked.
https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000001914257762
Got to this point

The 2nd one listed was named John William Hudson which we figured out this era John Hudson did not have two sons named William Hudson and another named aka John William Hudson, Jr. , we solved all, proved with documents, there was no John William Hudson.

disconnected all the double spouses up 7 lineages. Now I was just trying to merge these two which were the one and the same.

Lt. William Hudson

Lt. William Hudson

I do want relationship locked after the merge. Please.

I forgot to say I changed the name from John William Hudson, Jr to Lt. William Hudson as documentation proves.

He had 5 kids before he was age 12, some before he was born.

John Fanning

JC Three of the kids belonged to grandpa and the other two belonged to the wayward son that belonged to grandpa. So, after about seven years, they are all back home, safe and sound... I hope.

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