Need help merging Colonial Americans?

Started by Erica Howton on Saturday, August 11, 2018
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Emily Kent Marget

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I6674... Birth date looks estimated. Unlikely there’s a record or Mike Marshall would have cited it.

Emily also see https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/...

(Hynson biography)

DAUGHTERS: Elizabeth, who married (first name unknown) Rogers; Jane, who married Philip
Holeager; Mary, who married William Glanville; …

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000003230786792?return=match...

Name and dates are an exact match, but none of the siblings match, the dates of the fathers match, but not the parents, mother's name is similar, but birth surname and parents are different.

It looks to me like it's supposed to be two different lines, but one is inaccurate.

Private User

https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000003230786792?compare_id=6000000205739195943#4

Indeed big differences.

This I think needs to be picked apart.

Let’s try not to merge for now.

I found the match for the new Gedcom at Major Anderson

Erica Howton
Erica Howton--

These two men appear to be one and the same Jesse Jeptha Boone, son of Israel an Martha Boone. They are both MP and require a curator to merge the two profiles. Would you be so kind as to handle the merge?

Jesse Boone
Jesse Boone

Debbi

Deborah Ann TOWER - done. Good catch.

Erica Howton
Thank you!

Erica Howton

Erica--

Need to add a child to Robert and Dorithe Damon Tower and can't as profiles are locked.

Child is found here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tower-4827 along with research notes.

Please advise.

Debbi

Deborah Ann TOWER

You refer to

Robert Tower & Dorithe ‘Dorothy’ Tower Parents of John Tower, Sr., of Hingham

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tower-4827 Shows Jonathan Tower who married Katherine as born 1602 in Cornwall, which is no where near Hingham, Norfollk, England.

How does that work?

Erica Howton

I presumed (shame on me!!!!) that the person that posted the info on WikiTree had done their homework. Guess I was wrong. I have seen the same information posted in other genealogies sites though and thought I might be missing something.

All that said, it is possible that Robert and Dorithe lived in Cornwall when Jonathan was born in 1602 but had moved by the time that John Sr was born in 1609,

If you don't think this is a match or a possibility I'm okay with no including the info in the tree until such time as more info is available.

Debbi

Debbi, we have to be extra cautious and think through every so called record across countries.

Luckily, we do have a good historic handle on the English emigration to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1620 - 1640), and most are documented, not only in vital records, but in scholarly studies published in peer reviewed journals. If you don’t see that kind of citation, or a published family study, you can presume its an amateur effort. And, those are only good if they meet the Genealogical Proof Standard:

What is the Genealogical Proof Standard?

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In its simplest form Geni will do this for you as you construct your family tree, simply by collecting all of the facts and relationships in one place. Sometimes more is required, though -- in these cases we suggest taking the time to explain what you've found and how that led you to your conclusion. You can do this in the About text on the profile Overview tab, or Discussions on the profile, or the comments section on a document.


People didn’t move around in 1600 like we do now. And, it’s a red flag to see s child in a family settled in one place born in a county clear across the country.

The distance between Norfolk and Cornwall is 402 miles. Before cars and trains.



You are blessed with a common-enough surname, which suggests you need be extra careful to distinguish locations.

Private User - who is the father to be selected if merged? That’s why I left it. I tried some sourcing effort but I’m not sure. Are you?

Trying to figure out this bit of a pickle. William McCartney I was notified that he is his own ancestor and mother born after him. In looking at my other info on Ancestry I don't even have parents for his mother, Mary Ayesten. Perhaps birth around 1763 and died 1-16-1826. On Geni parents are listed with surname McCartney. There is a source for the marriage of James McCartney (1746-1811). James was born in Ireland but married on June 5 1783. https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61401/images/dvm_p... marriage source. Most of the records I've seen just confirm the marriage. I'm not sure I've seen a record of birth for son, William. I did see someone merged a profile involved in the circle. I'd probably just not include the parents for Mary unless more proof is found of who she is. Can I get some help with this? Thanks!

Private User - I've posted the citations from the Manchester vital records to both James McCartney (marriage and children's records) and his son, William McCartney (birth and marriage).

Private User - I found the issue for William McCartney
His mother's death date was posted as her birth date. I've also fixed her relationships.

Erica Howton

Re: https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000203938049086?return=match...

I checked Ancestry and couldn't find anything. Most of the trees have James, some have James William, and a few just have William.

James is most likely, but it seems there is no proof either way. Should they be merged and parents removed, with a note added?

Private User I spent time on this finally because I also have a James Briggs in my family line whose daughter Eliza married my Bryant Brewer. The dates are the problem and my 1st cousin Bill Brewer has documented extremely well the profiles we have of our James and daughter Eliza. I think you can go ahead and merge the two James Briggs you show. However, one of the two sets of parents must be kept because that entire line up the line and down the line is huge and lengthy and important to thousands in the family trees. Besides the two up the line lineages go up the same way through Thomas Briggs. So which line is best to keep? I think the father named William A. born 1745 in NC is pretty well documented but the father named James has no documentation at all. So I would change the left hand James' profile to delete his father and then make sure he gets connected in the merge to having William as the father. Thanks, JC from Gary Allen Singleton

FamilySearch noted there were two different Anna Collins. The elder one was the mother in law of Jacob Goss who was tortured by Tories. So, we need to look closer at the Anna’s. I think the kids might still be different and we have date issues making the families look alike.



I think we should match FamilySearch for the family of

James G Briggs Sr
Male
1753 – 17 February 1833

And

Anna Catherina Collins
Female
19 April 1760 – 24 November 1807

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/MS9T-PFL

There is uncertainty as to the parents of William, b. 1777. Others give his father as William Briggs, brother of James. Since the 1790 Rowan, NC census shows only three sons for James (James, 1779; Richard, 1783 and Joh…?


James Briggs Sr. (b. abt 1753 in Rowan Co., NC) married Anna Collins and lived along the Yadkin River area in NC, along with many Sarratt/Surratt neighbors. A number of these
neighbors moved from Davidson Co., NC, to Brown Co., about 1836-37, including John Sarratt, Samuel Briggs, John Briggs (and wife Constance Peacock), Elijah Lanier and wife Sarah
Sexton, and John Boss.

Later, several other families moved to Brown Co., including Henry Briggs, Samuel J. Peacoc k, Henry Clark Nothern, Calvin Hill, etc.

James and Anna Briggs had children:

James Jr., Richard, John Lemuel, and Philip, along with Sarah, Ann and Catherine. (It is speculated by one researcher that they also had three other children, as noted in census counts, but their names are not found at this time.)

(Note: We believe James Briggs' father was Thomas Briggs but can't prove it.) James Briggs Sr. stayed in Rowan Co., NC. as far as can be determined; at least he is not found in Brown Co. records yet.)

Gary Allen Singleton - in fact, I couldn’t find documentation on William A. Briggs but did on his (I presume) brother James G. Briggs, Sr. (see msg above, posted from https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/MS9T-PFL)

I don’t know the children of William A, but do of James G. Briggs, Sr., and they include a James Briggs, Jr.

Your Elizabeth Brewer shows as only distantly connected, which probably means more work to be done. relationship path

Private User - two different Anna Collins seems to solve the Briggs merge request, at least for now.

Okay with me what has been done. I did not notice that https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/MS9T-PFL. yes there is good discussion in there. Thanks. I leave it as it is now.

Thanks, I’m so glad we all looked further.

Erica and Gary, thank you!

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