traill01 - Stirnet https://www.stirnet.com/.../tt/traill01.php Joanna Aylesbury (dau of Sir Thomas Aylesbury). A. Reginald de Trailly (b c1363 , d 1404). B. Sir Thomas Traill of Blebo ...
https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p750.htm
Cites
Citations 1. [S7016] Unknown author, Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Ed., by F. L. Weis, p. 62; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 85; Wallop Family, p. 44. 2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 116. 3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 264.
I can't find a copy of Magna Carta Sureties or the Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz but the other sources don't provide sources for Joanna.
1. The Stimet page is unsourced and all comes from Elsie Ritchie. I don't know if it's reliable.
2. Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry doesn't mention a daughter named Joanna. (https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&printsec=frontco...).
3. The Wallop Family p. 44 (available on FamilySearch) only mentions his son John.
I’m searching through soc.gen.medieval & will post references but what we need are IPMs for Thomas & his wife.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!search/Joan$20bassett$20aylesbu...
Manuscript Pedigree of the Aylesbury Family by William Flower, Norroy of Arms, 1581
1. Walter Aylesbury of Bucks.
2.Sir Philip Aylesbury
+ Margaret Kaynes da. of Robert Kaynes de Middleton, Bucks
3.Sir Thomas Aylesbury
+ Joan Basset heir of Richard Basset of Weldon
4.Sir John Aylesbury
5.Sir Thomas Aylesbury
+ Catherine da. of Sir Laurence de Pabenham and Eliz. de Engaine
6. John Aylesbury
+ Margery
7. Hugh Aylesbury
6. Isabella Aylesbury
+ Sir Thomas Chaworth
6. Eleanor Aylesbury
+ Humphrey Stafford of Grafton (Locum tenenti villae Calesiae)
Not listed in the Visitation of Nottingham Page 126
https://books.google.com/books?id=zS4EAAAAIAAJ&vq=Aylesbury&...
No Joanna in Magna Carta Sureties
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000079308130815&
Thomas de Aylesbury died in the lifetime of his father. Philip de Aylesbury's heir was his grandson, John son of Thomas, aged 13 years and more.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol9/pp328-367
There is also a proof of age for John de Aylesbury.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol10/pp228-245
No mention of other children.
I will add these docs to the profiles.
https://books.google.com/books?id=mTZPDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA576&ot... Has dates for The Kings Minstrel of 1405 - 1455. Son of Catherine Pabenham & Thomas MP (son of John, son of this Thomas)
Reference here to the impossible dates for the Kings Minstrel
http://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/7V1YP2j7/aylesbury-and-im...
Also, no proof Isabel was a Le Strange of Knockin
I think two different Rogers are being mixed up. Theres a Roger of Aylsebury, Kings Minstrel, in the time of Henry ll mentioned in “The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham, Volume 2” By George Lipscomb Page 5
https://books.google.com/books?id=zyYgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=P...
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/ay...
Did not seem to have a son Roger.
There was a Roger son of Philip Aylesbury of Lapworth, Warwickshire.
Sir Philip de Aylesbury and Agnes his wife in 1376 settled 'the manor' of Lapworth on themselves for their lives, with remainder to their son Roger in tail. (fn. 42) Philip died in 1390 and his widow Agnes is then styled lady of the manor. (fn. 43) She married John Buckmore probably in 1394, when what is here correctly called a moiety of the manor was settled on them and her heirs. (fn. 44) Next year they conveyed to her sister Lady Rose, then widow of Richard de Montfort, their moiety of a dovecot at Lapworth. (fn. 45) In 1395, also, Agnes's son Roger Aylesbury confirmed their life interest to her and her husband, (fn. 46) and after her death he extended it in 1413 to John Buckmore, (fn. 47) who in 1418 leased the moiety of the manor to John Catesby for life at 12 marks. (fn. 48) Roger's grandson John Aylesbury died in 1492 seised of Lapworth, valued at £3, and held of the Duchy of Lancaster as 1/10 knight's fee. (fn. 49) His daughter and heir Joan, widow of Thomas Somerville, held a manorial court here in 1520, (fn. 50) but no later reference to this manor has been found.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol5/pp108-116#p19
Maybe a fudge ? This family is of Oterarsfee in com Bucks for generations down. Then it joins at a Marriage of Jane to William Baldwin and supposed Connecticut Colony arrivers.
I disconnected Roger Aylesbury from parents & locked. Frankly it smells like a Fabricated line.
Well, maybe legit, but if they’re the same family as the Aylseburys of Aylesbury, they split off long before.
https://books.google.com/books?id=angxZdutJE4C&lpg=PA187&ot...
Notes and Queries Page 187
THE AYLESBURYS AND BALDwiNs of co. BUcks. —Can any of your readers inform me whether the Aylesburys and Baldwins of co. Bucks belong to the same family In a note to the first volume of Hume's History of England, temp. Hen. II., it is recited that “John Baldwin held the manor of Oterarsfee in Ayles. bury of the king in socage by the service of finding litter for the king's bed, viz., in summer grass or herbs and two grey geese, and in winter straw and three eels, thrice in the year, provided the king should come thrice in the year to Aylesbury.” Hume cites as his authority Madox, Bar. Ang., 247, but the following Latin record, which is there printed in full, shows that the John Baldwin in question flourished during the reign of Henry VII. : “Buk. Johannes Baldwyn frater et haeres Ricardi Baldwyn dat domino Regi vis, viiid., de relevio suo, pro quodam manerio in Aylesbury vocato Oterarsfee, ac uno messuagio, xlv acris terra et decem acris prati, cum pertinentiis in Aylesbury praedicta, quae de Domino Rege tenentur in socagio, per servitium inveniendi literam ad lectum Domini Regis ac stramen et herbam ad ornandum hospitium Domini Regis, ter in anno, si totiens apud Aylesbury praedictam venerit videlicet in aestate herbam ob causam praedictam et duas Gantas et in yeme stramen et tres anguillas: Ita quod sex Gantae vel novem anguillae, essent in anno, si Rex ter in anno illuc venerit, sicut idem Johannes recognovit et sicut continetur alibi in his Memorandis, videlicet inter Recorda de hoc termino Rotulo ix. Et unde scrutatis Rotulis pro Rege, &c. Compertum est in memorandis de anno xviii Domini E. nuper Regis Angliae primi, videlicet inter Fines de termino Sancti Michaelis quod Willielmus filius Willielmi haeres Ricardi de Aylesbury simili modo oneratus fuit de relevio suo pro terra praedicta (Mich. Fines 7 Hen. VII. Rot. 3, b.)." From this John Baldwin, “brother and heir of Richard,” descended, in the fourth generation (through Sylvester, Henry and Sylvester), Sylvester Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks, who emigrated to New England in 1635, with wife Sarah (Bryan), sons Richard and John, and four daughters. The manor of Oterarsfee appears to have been in the possession of the Aylesbury family for many generations. By an inquest post-mortem, taken 7 Edw. I. (1279), it is recited that “Willielmus filius Roberti ‘de Aylesbyr.’” held one messuage and three virgates of land in co. Bucks upon the service of finding litter for the king's bed, &c.; and that William, son of the aforesaid William, is the next heir, and is twenty-one years of age and more (1 Cal. Gen. 281). An inquisition, noted in Lipscombe's History of County Bucks as taken in 1323, recites that Robert Fitz Richard, son of William de Aylesbury, “who died in 1278,” was seized of the same messuage, and that Richard, son of the said Robert, was his son and of full age.
Ah - descent from The Kings Minstrel !
https://books.google.com/books?id=LYoJAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA14&ots...
The Baldwin genealogy from 1500 to 1881
By C.C. Baldwin
(CC Baldwin is considered an excellent antiquarian / compiler)
“The manor of Oterarsfee was originally granted by Henry II to Roger, the King's minstrel, upon the same singular tenure, which is recited in a confirmation of the manor to Richard, son of Robert le Aylesbury, 1 Richard II (1137), Cal. Rot. Pat. 199. The manor had then been in the continuous possession of the Aylesbury family since the grant."
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Jane_Aylesbury_(1)_
https://books.google.com/books?id=i9_x-VlsW7kC&lpg=PA786&ot...
Calendar of State Papers: Henry III. and Edwards I., Volume 2
Google translation:
161. Thomas, son and heir of William de Luton previously mentioned. Proof of age; taken on September 2.
Richard, son of William the age of forty years of Aylesbury, sworn and examined on the age of the aforesaid Thomas, says that the age of twenty-one years old and has been on the St. Thomas the Apostle last past, and that Thomas was born in the county of Buckingham Hertwelle day of St. Thomas the aforesaid; and tomorrow the same day in the same town baptized.