Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA - Trump's descent from Edward III

Started by Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert on Thursday, May 17, 2018
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  • From pages 250-251 of the History of the Macleods, which you will find the full text as a PDF in the media section. It indicates Donald Macleod of Bernera was generally spoken as "The Old Trojan" and he was married three times. Donald Macleod of Bernera was generally spoken as "The Old Trojan" and he was married three times as follows: Wife #1: Anne. Page 250 reads, "Donald married, first, when only 18 years of age, Anne, daughter of Roderick Macleod, XVII. of Macleod, by his wife Isabel, daughter of Kenneth, third Earl of Seaforth, by his wife, also Isabel, sister of George, first Earl of Cromarty." Wife #2: Margaret Macdonald. Page 253 reads" "He married, secondly, Margaret Macdonald, described as "a daughter of John Macdonald Gorm Macdonald of Sleat." They lived together for nineteen years, without issue." Wife #3: Margaret, daughter of Rev. Donald Macloed, III, Of Greshornish. Page 253 reads: "Donald Macleod of Bernera married, thirdly, in the 75th year of his age, Margaret, daughter of the Rev. Donald Macleod, III. of Greshornish, and minister of Duirinish. She was then only sixteen years of age. By this marriage Donald had issue, in his old age—three sons and six daughters.
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5/17/2018 at 2:56 PM

Hello!

It appears that a new path has appeared here on Geni which claims that Donald Trump is descended from the Kings of England. https://www.geni.com/path/Donald-J-Trump-45th-President-of-the-USA+...

The reason that I am writing to you is because this path is false. It claims that Isabell Macleod, wife of Roderick Campbell, was the daughter of Roderick Macleod and Isabell Bannatyne, which is not true.

Isabell Campbell

Roderick and Isabell Macleod did have a daughter named Isabella, but she married a Dr. Archibald McLea, "whom she predeceased, bringing him no family." This comes from this source here: https://books.google.com/books?id=4KUHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA67&lpg=... and this is also supported by records on scotlandspeople.gov.uk.

Isabella MacLeod, daughter of Roderick Macleod and Isabell Bannatyne, is NOT the Isabell who married Roderick Campbell.

Unless someone can come forward with some credible source which I have overlooked to confirm this connection, I shall go ahead and disconnect it.

Thanks!
Tamas Caldwell-Gilbert

Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA

5/17/2018 at 2:59 PM

Please disconnect. Trumps official genealogy was done. They do not know which MacLeod line he’s from. If it’s found it will be published in AmericanAncestors.org by Gary Boyd Roberts team.

5/17/2018 at 3:03 PM

Can we also take a look at this Telford family

Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns

Donald Telford

Bad merge ??

5/17/2018 at 4:07 PM

Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns I fixed your Telford entries

5/17/2018 at 4:39 PM

Not a bad merge a very massacred merge

5/17/2018 at 4:42 PM

No kidding! That’s why I called your attention, in case more needs to be fixed than can be done by “merge undo.”

5/17/2018 at 4:44 PM

For example this name ?

Marion Harvie

5/17/2018 at 5:18 PM

Okay I put the lineage under Catherine when seen immediately googled and went to work you will see why too so long - - them book is not easy to follow

5/17/2018 at 5:21 PM

Okay - seems they can't read the about me.... I thought I transcribed all into it guess I wasted time effort doing it :-) I ust went backwards and checked to see what I had done

Well I for one find this whole family tree thing completely confusing . My mom shows up as my aunt and Edward III of England is my 19th great grandfather according thisYou
→ MARIA NANCY SCHELL (MORAGA CALVO)
your mother → Julio Rodolfo Moraga Zumaran
her father → Rosa Auristelia del Carmen Zumaran Pinochet
his mother → Auristela Pinochet Badilla Zumaran
her mother → Gregorio Pinochet Solar
her father → María de los Dolores del Solar Vial
his mother → María Josefa Vial del Campo
her mother → Francisco Diego Vial Santelices
her father → Manuel José Jose Vial Jarabeitia (Xarabeitia)
his father → Francisco Manuel Vial Ondarra (Vial y Ondarra)
his father → Andrés de Vial Barallón (Vial Barralon)
his father → Francois de Vial y Savoie
his father → Françoise de Savoie
his mother → Emmanuel Philibert I, duc de Savoie
her father → Beatriz de Aviz, infanta de Portugal
his mother → Maria de Castela e Aragão, rainha consorte de Portugal
her mother → Isabella I the Catholic, Queen of Castile
her mother → Juan II, rey de Castilla
her father → Catalina de Lancáster, reina consorte de Castilla
his mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster
her father → Edward III of England
his father,,,,, then I look at my connection to Trump and see this from THIS POSTING *Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA
→ Mary Anne Trump (MacLeod)
his mother → Mary MacLeod (Smith)
her mother → Donald Smith
her father → Henrietta MacQueen
his mother → Margaret Campbell
her mother → Isabell Macleod
her mother → Isobell Bannatyne
her mother → Hector Bannatyne (Bannatyne of Kames), of Kames
her father → Isobel Stuart
his mother → Elizabeth Ruthven
her mother → Maj.-Gen. Sir John Ruthven of Dunglass, Bt.
her father → William Ruthven, alias Ballindean
his father → Dorothea Stewart of Avondale
his mother → Janet Stewart, Countess Dowager of Sutherland
her mother → John Stewart, 2nd Earl of Atholl
her father → John Stewart of Balveny, 1st Earl of Atholl
his father → Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scots
his mother → John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
her father → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster
his father → Edward III of England
his father , shows we share the same Great Grand Father . BUT when I look at my connection to Trump it brings up my fathers side to Marla Maples . here is that link . can this be explained PLEASEYou
→ MARIA NANCY SCHELL (MORAGA CALVO)
your mother → Norman Bernard Johnson
her ex-husband → Vaudys Johnson (Shows)
his mother → James Rufus Alonzo Shows
her father → Martin Luther Shows
his father → James Shows (Schauss)
his father → Mary Jane "Nancy" Shows (Robinson)
his mother → Rhoda Gannaway (Robertson)
her sister → John Gannaway
her son → Elizabeth Gannaway (Williams)
his wife → Mary Williams (Gannaway)
her mother → Elizabeth Love (Gannaway)
her sister → Elizabeth Gannaway Plummer (Love)
her daughter → James Ransom Plummer, Sr.
her husband → Carvossa Bruce Plummer
his son → George Bruce Plummer
his son → Anna Idell Blackwell (Plummer)
his daughter → Lura Maria Locklear (Blackwell)
her daughter → Lura Ann Maples (Locklear)
her daughter → Marla Maples
her daughter → Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA
her ex-husband,,,,,, Andrea

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5/18/2018 at 2:34 AM

this is what Geni says my pathway to Donald Trump is [sorry cant post a screenshot on here]

Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA is Angela Lee-Smith's 19th cousin thrice removed!
Angela Lee-Smith
You → Henry Charles Abraham Reed
your father → William James Reed
his father → Abraham Reed
his father → George Reed
his father → John Reed
his father → Sarah Reed
his mother → Susannah Inkpen/Inkpin
her mother → Elizabeth Cosham
her mother → Susanna Nutley
her mother → Thomas Stanley
her father → John Stanley
his father → Elizabeth Stanley
his mother → Stephen Eggleston, II
her father → Stephen Iggleden, I
his father → Lettice Iggleden
his mother → John Stacy, l
her father → John Richard Stacy
his father → Alice Stacey
his mother → Sir John Pashley, Sr.
her father → Philippa Sergeaux
his mother → Philippa FitzAlan, heiress of Chipping Norton
her mother → Sir Edmund Fitzalan
her father → Sir Richard FitzAlan, 10th Earl of Arundel
his father → Alice FitzAlan, Countess of Kent
his daughter → Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
her daughter → Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scots
her daughter → John Stewart of Balveny, 1st Earl of Atholl
her son → John Stewart, 2nd Earl of Atholl
his son → Janet Stewart, Countess Dowager of Sutherland
his daughter → Dorothea Stewart of Avondale
her daughter → William Ruthven, alias Ballindean
her son → Maj.-Gen. Sir John Ruthven of Dunglass, Bt.
his son → Elizabeth Ruthven
his daughter → Isobel Stuart
her daughter → Hector Bannatyne, of Kames
her son → Isobell Bannatyne
his daughter → Isabell Macleod
her daughter → Margaret Campbell
her daughter → Henrietta MacQueen
her daughter → Donald Smith
her son → Mary MacLeod
his daughter → Mary Anne Trump
her daughter → Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA
her son

Angela Lee Smith that makes us cousins

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5/19/2018 at 1:30 AM

Vaudys if this is you here is the pathway from me to you, i am the "you" at the top

Vaudys Andrea Gunnels is your 18th cousin twice removed.
You
→ Henry Charles Abraham Reed
your father → William James Reed
his father → Abraham Reed
his father → George Reed
his father → John Reed
his father → Sarah Reed
his mother → Susannah Inkpen/Inkpin
her mother → Elizabeth Cosham
her mother → Susanna Nutley
her mother → Thomas Stanley
her father → John Stanley
his father → Elizabeth Stanley
his mother → Stephen Eggleston, II
her father → Stephen Iggleden, I
his father → Lettice Iggleden
his mother → John Stacy, l
her father → John Richard Stacy
his father → Alice Stacey
his mother → Sir John Pashley, Sr.
her father → Philippa Sergeaux
his mother → Alice de Vere
her sister → John de Vere, 12th Earl of Oxford
her son → Joane "Jane" Norris
his daughter → Margaret Langford
her daughter → Thomas Bullock
her son → William Bullock
his son → Capt. Hugh Bullock
his son → Capt. Hugh Bullock
his son → Lucy Norvell
his daughter → Capt. Hugh Norvell
her son → George Norvell
his son → Sarah Ann Robertson
his daughter → Mary Jane "Nancy" Shows
her daughter → James Shows
her son → Martin Luther Shows
his son → James Rufus Alonzo Shows
his son → Vaudys Johnson
his daughter → Norman Bernard Johnson
her son → Vaudys Andrea Gunnels
his daughter

yes Hello . cousin . very nice to make your acquaintance . ---- I must not have gotten the original message you send. ''

Have a great Day

Andrea

You Have two Capt Hugh Bullock . is this correct

Andrea

5/19/2018 at 12:19 PM

Even if Trump's descent from McLeods/Mackays etc is wrong. He is still descended from Jan van Groenwegen of "THE DUTCH EAST INDIES COMPANY" who is related to every US President and many of them-if not all- through this are descended from Edward III!

5/19/2018 at 11:55 PM

Charles Saunders he is not descended from Jan van Groenwegen, nor is he related to him according to geni. I presume that you are referencing this path.
https://www.geni.com/path/Daughter-of-Jan-van-Groenewegen+is+relate...
Once again this path is fake and has since been disconected on geni. Malcum (Calum) MacLeod's father is not Murdo, rather, the father is Alexander. Malcolm "Calum" MacLeod

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5/20/2018 at 3:36 AM

yes Andrea the second Hugh Bullock appears to be his son different birthdate

6/9/2019 at 11:29 AM

Hello again!

It appears that another MacLeod connection has popped up.

This time it is through Donald "Old Trojan" MacLeod, his son Donald and his grandson John Finlay MacLeod.

In the "History of the MacLeods" by Alexander Mackenzie it is written that "Old Trojan's" son, Donald, was "Captain Donald Macleod, who commanded an East Indiaman. He married Miss Gigurnet, daughter of an Attorney in Cheltenham, with issue — an only son, who died young" (page 253). It appears to be implied in this book that Capt Donald MacLeod did not have surviving descendants and the name of his wife is different as well.

The book can be found here: https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/9686/96868949.23.pdf

I think that this new path back through Donald MacLeod is incorrect for the reasons listed above. I am posting here to see if anyone has any evidence to support this connection and if not then I think that we should disconnect John Finlay MacLeod from Donald.

Sincerely,
Tamas Caldwell-Gilbert

Donald 'Old Trojan' Macleod
John Finlay MacLeod

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6/9/2019 at 1:36 PM

I'm inclined to agree but won't cut until othere have had a chance to weigh in. Thanks for your continued help with this.

6/13/2019 at 9:27 AM

The discussion thread remains quiet so I shall go ahead and disconnect them.

6/13/2019 at 1:36 PM

Thank you Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert

There’s a NEGHR team vetting presidential pedigrees. I find it important Geni stay in sync with their published work.

6/15/2019 at 11:39 AM

Dear Caldwell-Gilbert: I am some kind of relative of yours, I think. Geni Home of the World Family Tree
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6/16/2019 at 11:44 AM

It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance Mr. Saunders!

11/9/2019 at 1:50 AM

I've never heard or read anyone seriously claim the connection of MacLeod alone or thru the genealogy of President Trump to any 'kings of England.'
I doubt Trump has ever said this either. By most accounts, the Scottish clans have more rights to the thrown originally and in the beginning after the Picts and Danes, had no previous blood connection.
Besides, the MacLeods split in twain and thus, the MacLeods of Lewes are a different clan than the orignal MacLeod clan. They have differing coat of arms, tartans even.
Obviously, someone has been remiss in Scottish culture and history to make such a dubious and amateurish claim. Lol

3/31/2020 at 9:04 PM

My links to the King Edward III, is on the Freemason side, Roelofson (Rule), Roll of Freemason, that is the Rule, the Cabal, the people that run this world, and if anyone down plays any lineage, it will be dealt with, Trump goes down only on my grandmothers side to the Hoyts, so he is related to me he connects to the Kings

4/2/2020 at 11:50 AM

ok, i am curious.

I DOWNPLAY YOUR LINEAGE TO EDWARD III.

i don't care if you're related. but i have to call out your petty "threat".

also, Edward III is my 19ggf. so, any claim you make to any throne is mine as well.

bizarre theories of the "freemasons" notwithstanding.

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4/2/2020 at 9:53 PM

HAHAHA, sitting here eating a bowl of popcorn waiting on the fireworks from the Illuminati to happen ;)

4/3/2020 at 3:40 PM

as i have said in the past. damn, i never thought anyone could butcher the english language worse than drumpf.

4/3/2020 at 4:59 PM

Trump is all in, he has or is Trumped the world, never been done before, the Revolution starts in 2 weeks, THE WORLD HAS JUST BEEN TRUMPED, without the people the system will fall, be sustainable, go back to the old days, grow and make your own stuff, don't rely on the system anymore, we can make this happen, it is to stop the abuse on children all over the world and human hunting Adrenochrome etc etc etc, GOOD vs EVIL, WORLD WAR III, who has the virus, this is just an easy way out, instead of being ridiculed in court, die or tell the truth and they 2 will get abused, capital punishment, no more drinking blood of children

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