Ragnar Lodbrok Sigurdsson

I am getting some wierd lines with regards to Ragnar's line! It is saying that Aslaug Sigurdsdottir is the daughter of Sigurdsson "Snake in the Eye" Ragnarsson and on to Ragnar? Every time I checked it when I first joined Geni Bjorn was my 35th Great Grandfather and Ragnar my 36th! And now that same line has changed, anybody else having the same problem?

There are at least four profiles for him:

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson (Master Profile)
Ragnar Sigurdsson, Kung av Sverige
King of Denmark and Norway Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson
Ragnar Lodbrok Sigurdsson

The main problem is that he *may or may not* be historical, and a lot of stuff has coalesced around him that isn't. There's a long-standing argument over whether or not to declare him Fictional and ignore the contradictions.

There are, *quite intentionally*, multiple profiles for "King Arthur", which can be summed up as "Welsh tradition Arthur", "Geoffrey of Monmouth's Arthur", "Chretien de Troyes' Arthur", "French tradition Arthur", and "Malory's Arthur". Of which, needless to say, "Malory's Arthur" is the best known and most influential. But *all* of them are considered Fictional.

It looks as though we're getting to that point with Rollo/Hrollaug/Gange-Hrolf, except that the one who wound up as Robert I of Normandy was a real person of unknown antecedents and reasonably well known descendants.

.>Aslaug Sigurdsdottir is the daughter of Sigurd "Snake in the Eye" Ragnarsson

According to tradition Ragnar's son Sigurd "Snake-in-the-eye" Ragnarsson had a daughter, Aslaug Sigurdsdatter , whom he (presumably) named after his own mother (ie Åslaug Sigurdsdatter, {Ragnars Saga}).

So as far as that goes it is an "accurate" line.

As for your path to Ragnar changing it is not necessarily a "problem", the relationship pathways are constantly being updated as changes are made in the tree, the path that displays is not the only path (in theory it is the shortest path) so as this shift and adjust your path to a particular person can change.

As Maven touched on the likelihood that Ragnar was a real person is slim so how you connect to him isn't really all that consequential, it is the reading about him that is fun :)

I have been slack this year with not keeping an eye out for Ragnar duplicates and sending them to Valhalla, it is a labor of love and being a curator is not my day job

Thank you Maven and Alex for the better understanding of how this all works. In building my own tree in the future when I get to that point I'll have to consider whether or not to list him as real or Fictional. I'm going to have to try and get ahold of someone in Sweden from the National Historical Museum and see what information they will give!

Gregg VanSolen Rasor a few of your comments are a little off, please dont take the following personally.

The curator of Ragnar's profile is a professional historian who works for the national museum of Denmark, other Geni curators who are active in working on Geni's profile for Ragnar are professional genealogists, medieval history specialist, some are even Swedish. If the solution to the questions around Ragnar were as simple as phoning the Swedish museum don't you think we might have tried that already?

There are numerous documents attached as sources to the Master Profile (MP) of Ragnar, Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson , and also some long and detailed Discussion threads. If you are interested in understanding him better I strongly recommend you start by reading those, on this subject Google is not your friend as the number of websites giving trite simplistic explanations of who Ragnar was is near infinite whereas it is a very complex question which you truely become interested in will soon have you reading scholarly papers and theories.

One further comment, "...when I get to that point I'll have to consider..." I am not sure what tree it is you are talking about here. Do you maintain your own tree on another website or offline? If you are working solely on Geni then you do not need to build back to Ragnar, that is the point of Geni, he is already there and you are already connected to him.

I understand what your saying and I meant no offense in any way shape or form in my comments! I apologize if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention! I do have a tree on Ancestry and My FTDNA that I am building all branches but have no been able to get back that far yet! I'm trying to do it right the first time and it is taking a while!

I'm sure no one took offense. Doing it right the first time is always best policy but knowing what is right this far back is the hard part.

The question of wether we are related to Ragnar Lodbrok or not is easy to answer. There are no provable lines back to Ragnar (if he ever existed) and therefore none of us should have a family relationship back to him, not on Geni, nor on Ancestry, FTDNA, MyHeritage, FamilySearch or any other online or offline genealogical software. That is how simple it is.

Im having the same dilemma.
Ragnar was my 33rd GGF now his my 28th great uncles nieces husband's great grandfather father something like that.
Alex can you explain.
Grinnell

Grinnell, just assume the Geni pathfinder has gone bonkers again. It does that every so often, with *or* without reason. It'll sort itself out again eventually. Or not.

I refreshed “my” path to Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson is your 32nd great grandfather.

I hope to see “no path” to him someday.

To work with relationships on Geni see this project

https://www.geni.com/projects/Working-with-Relationships/17570

Refreshed path for Grinell

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson is Grinnell MacLeod Wood, II's 33rd great grandfather.

Refreshed path for Gregg

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson is Gregg VanSolen Rasor's 32nd great grandfather.

(I would do it for Maven but I suspect she’d rather have no path also:;). Anyway, hers should be similar to mine)

Hmmm, maybe not.

Maven you got a long cut - 40th gg

https://www.geni.com/path/Maven-B-Helms+is+related+to+Ragnar-Lodbro...

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson is Alex Moes ©'s 39th great grandfather.

I would refresh Remi’s but I don’t want to make him ill. :):)

I am thinking Maven & Alex have more accurate trees.

I'm actually with Remi.
Trying to place Ragnar accurately in your tree is like arguing about what year Santa Claus was born.

The path has several dubious links, so I'm not going to worry about it. :-)

I find it a bit strange that I'm connected to Ragnar through both of my grandparents on my father's side.34th GGrandfather on my grandmother's side and 36th GGrandfather on my grandfather's side.

Not so strange, Harold. That far back you have many times more theoretical ancestors than there were people alive in the whole world. Something has to give, and it turns out that there were (and are) a lot of (known and unknown) cousins marrying.

Ever try the "rice/wheat on a chessboard" puzzle? Same thing....

OK, that deserves a little more explanation. What exactly are "theoretical ancestors"? What do you mean when you day there are many more of them than there were people alive in the whole world at the time. As an example to illustrate the point, can you share the number of ancestors on geni at a certain point in time and compare it to world population at the same time?

Rice/wheat on a chessboard: put one grain on the first square (that's you). Two grains on the next square (your parents). Four grains on the third square (grandparents). Keep doubling the number every square and watch it escalate!

I'm not sure whether you get halfway through the board before you need more grains of (rice, wheat, whatever) than there are in the whole world, but it's a long time before you get to the end of the board!

The sages in India threw an interesting wrinkle into this old chestnut: the person requesting the grains revealed himself as the God Krishna, and let the appalled rajah off easily by telling him he could pay it off in annual installments (rice for the poor, iirc). They're still holding the rice festival and still haven't paid off the debt. ;-)

I see no one has mentioned the French notes at the time of Charles the II. According to Geni, Ragnar is my 32 Great grandfather and Charles is my 31st. Later Charles III meet Rollon of Normandy both being my 32 Great grandfathers. Makes a great story. My thoughts on the matter was that we know Rollon existed for sure so my not believe the French and agree that the Ragnar story is also true. My should we doubt Charlemagne's grandsons.

Martin Nordstrom

There is a historically recorded viking who attacked Paris the Frankish envoys sent to Denmark to demand reparations from King Horik reported that most of the Vikings who had been part of the raid on Paris had been killed by a plague (obvious evidence of God's wrath).

This is one of the very few contemporary sources to anyone that could possibly be the Ragnar of legend but the fact that some Dane named Ragnar raided Paris is not evidence of the whole legend of Ragnar.

As for Rollo, yes he existed. That is about the limit of the facts we have for him. Everything else is theory, tradition and / or propaganda

Not quite *everything*. The whole "Ganger-Hrolf" fable is probably a later overlay, but he really did harry northern France and get bought off with Normandy, he really did found the line of Norman dukes, and he probably did allow himself to be baptized under the name of "Robert".

Agreed

Last i checked, ragnor was my 31st grandfather. I no longer have the professional version so i can not check

There are now several profiles for Ragnar in the tree based on the various different versions of his story.

Erik D. Lashinsky click on the below link, near the to of the page is a button "How are we connected?" Press this and Geni will calculate your path, it may take a few minutes, nothing to do with your subscription fees

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson

Alex Moes

Well. In the same time there are people seriously trying to connect themselves to King David, with curator himself direct blue line. The terrible thing there is that now the blue line to "King David" is through muslims, and they are trying to correct the line because of that. >I suggest to take serious look at this conversation. It is really bothering one.
https://www.geni.com/discussions/188114

I think its like connecting to father Jule = Odin = afterwards it became father christmas.

Here in North, it has always been tradition, like in many other cultures, that even if stories and topics may be distant, they have been shaped by content, hero characters and contexts of events as part of their own tradition. The prevailing culture and mentality shapes the hero of the stories into the ideals and views of the community in that time. The role of the hero falls traditionally, one way or another, for the one who stands out from the group, including the case of a historical person, which begins to accumulate completely fictitious material.

It does not make the person fictious, and I am not meaning only Ragnar but other historical persons that has taken were part of our culture and old religion. I do not see any difference to King David.

Hi Private User, as i am not the least bit interested in King David i am not particularly interested in reading discussions about him.

I am not sure the point you are trying to make regarding the Ragnar myth. It is easy to accept that there may have been an original Ragnar who then had many extra details added to his story over the years but there are othet possible explanations.

Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson is your 37th great grandfather.
You
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your mother → James aka Jim Edward (Morton-Russell) Handy Jr.
her father → James aka Jim (Ruthven) Handy SR.
his father → Marion aka Marrian Ruthven - Handy - Satchell
his mother → Alexander (Thompson) Ruthven
her father → Robert (Witherspoon) Ruthven, Sr.
his father → John Andrew (Henderson) Ruthven
his father → John (Peadie) Ruthven
his father → John (Hutcheson) Ruthven
his father → George John (Reid) Ruthven
his father → William Alexander (Clerksone) Ruthven
his father → William Ruthven
his father → Sir William Ruthven, Kt.
his father → William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
his father → William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven
his father → Isabel Livingston
his mother → Sir William Livingston of Balcastell and Kilsyth
her father → Sir John Livingston of Callendar
his father → Sir William Livingston, MP
his father → Margaret Comyn
his mother → Elizabeth (Isabel) de Quincy, Lady
her mother → Helen de Galloway
her mother → Helen of Galloway
her mother → Ragnall mac Somhairle, Lord of the Isles
her father → Ragnhildr Óláfsdóttir, of Man
his mother → Ingebjörg Hákonardóttir
her mother → Hakon "The Imperious" Palson, Jarl of Orkney
her father → Pål Thorfinnsson, jarl of Orkney
his father → Thorfinn 'The Black' 'The Mighty' Sigurdsson, II Jarl of Orkney
his father → Sigurd "the Stout" Hlodvesson, earl of Orkney
his father → Hlodvir Thorfinnsson, earl of Orkney
his father → Grelod Duncansdatter
his mother → Groa Thorsteinsdottir
her mother → Thorstein "the Red" Olafsson
her father → Ólafur "Hvíti" "The White" Ingjaldsson, King of Dublin
his father → Ingjald "The White" Helgasson, Petty King Of Ireland
his father → Ålof Sigurdsdottir
his mother → Sigurd "Snake-in-the-eye" Ragnarsson
her father → Ragnar "Lodbrok" Sigurdsson
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