Did Jacques die at the Cape or in Holland?

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Private User
4/2/2018 at 7:04 AM

Can anybody throw any light on this question, with records of arrival at the Cape after 1715 and death, or anything in between? Alternatively, burial in Holland?

"In March 1712 he left for the Netherlands in the Samson, accompanied by his wife and mother-in-law. He enrolled as a member of the Walloon congregation in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on 16th December 1714, but only four months later, on 20th April 1715, it was reported that he had returned to the Cape. There is, however no documentary proof of his presence neither at the Cape neither after 1715, nor in C.G. Botha's assertion that he died in October 1717. "

Private User
4/2/2018 at 7:28 AM

Mansell Upham remarks in "Cape Mothers," [Savoye returns to the Cape and] is admitted (16 March 1716) with his wife as a member of Cape congregation. Can anybody supply that admission record?

4/2/2018 at 7:55 AM

Which Jacques? Put the profile link, Gary. That will call the managers.

Private User
4/25/2018 at 6:02 AM

Jacques de Savoye, SV/PROG DE SAVOYE, SV/PROG.
Did he die at the Cape or in Holland?

Can anybody throw any light on this question, with records of arrival at the Cape after "return" to the Cape in 1715 and/or death in the Cape, or alternatively, to disprove the idea that he returned to the Cape, evidence of death and/or burial in Holland?

"In March 1712 he left for the Netherlands in the Samson, accompanied by his wife and mother-in-law. He enrolled as a member of the Walloon congregation in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on 16th December 1714, but only four months later, on 20th April 1715, it was reported that he had returned to the Cape. There is, however no documentary proof of his presence neither at the Cape neither after 1715, nor in C.G. Botha's assertion that he died in October 1717. "

Mansell Upham remarks in "Cape Mothers," [Savoye returns to the Cape and] is admitted (16 March 1716) with his wife as a member of Cape congregation. Can anybody supply that admission record?

4/26/2018 at 6:45 AM

Nothing seems to have sources, does it, Private User.

From The Huguenots in South AfricaManfred Nayhan 1939 (extracts typed out by CJB):
He made up his mind to return to Europe with his wife. His children had married, and remained at the Cape. They do not appear to have been able to give their parents any financial assistance. Their father was so impoverished that he was unable to pay the full passage money home. He settled down in Holland, and died there in October, 1717, at the ripe age of eighty-one. His wife died in May, 1721."

References for the above extract
H.C.V. Leibbrandt. Rambles through the Archives of theCape of Good Hope. First series (1887) - pp. 52, 69
C. Graham Botha. The French Refugees at the Cape (1919) - pp. 33, 50-51, 57, 85-6
G McCall Theal. History of South Africa. Vol.I (1486-1691) p. 25.

Private User
4/26/2018 at 7:18 AM

Thanks for the sources, Sharon, suggesting that he died in Holland. If Theal is the original source of the idea, he is often unreliable, We now need to find the April 20, 1715 document that reports his return to the Cape, probably a VOC record, and his readmission to the Cape congregation, 16 March 1716.

4/26/2018 at 7:54 AM

Re: We now need to find the April 20, 1715 document that reports his return to the Cape, probably a VOC record, and his readmission to the Cape congregation, 16 March 1716.

Yes.

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