Cleaning up the Cherokee Tree on Geni

The first figures to be pruned away from the tops of the trees are Thomas Passmore Carpenter and Amatoya Moytoy. For the debunking of the Carpenter myth, see below. For an essay on Moytoy by Kathryn Forbes, please see the Project's main narrative on the home page.

Here's the message I sent to managers of Thomas Passmere "Corn Planter" Carpenter:

Please read the following three-part article titled "The Passmore Chronicles" by Susan Reynolds and published on her blog Indian Reservations by Jeanie Roberts. They disprove Carpenter's existence (he has apparently been "created" by someone who misread records of Thomas Passmore, a carpenter in Jamestown, Virginia colony, who later acquired land in Maryland). This man (Passmore) had no life among the Cherokee and could not have been the father of any Cherokee offspring.

Part I http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

Part II http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

Part III http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

Therefore, as part of the Cherokee Genealogy Cleanup project, this profile is being detached from any Cherokee offspring and labeled as "Fictitious".

Sincerely,

Pam Wilson

If anyone has questions about a Cherokee person or family, please send me a message and I will be happy to research.

Thanks, Kathie

This is very encouraging. The blog links to "The Passmore Chronicles" has the following statement - on all three parts.......Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.
Has it been removed?
Looking forward to learning more on these folks.

Lettica ‘Lettie Hatchet Grey’ Howard

Kathie's records and research say this profile is "Fictitious". How does this get fixed? Can it be removed by a Curator or officially marked as unproven?

(No Name) what you want to do is identify the "cut" point in her ancestry.

Is it Eliza Durham who didn't exist? Are there notes in profile for that?

Or was it her mother who is in question? Ah Nee Wa Kee ?

You tell me.

I do not know the answer.

The people in this family might be real, although Heather's own family doesn't go back before Elizabeth Taylor, wife of Thomas H. Taylor. About a dozen descendants of 'Letty' made application for the Guion Miller payment in 1907 and were all rejected as their ancestors had no connection to the Cherokee Nation. So no one is or was a "Cherokee maiden". I'd remove that designation from Eliza and disconnect her from her non-existant Cherokee mother.

Eliza Durham's parents are non-existent. If Eliza existed she was a white woman, not a Cherokee. There was a Cherokee chief named Glass, but he has nothing to do with this profile. He lived from about 1760 to 1819 and is well-documented. He led a group of about 120 Cherokee to Indian Territory in late 1818. His wife and son died en route and he died not long after arrival.

I will be following.

Thank you. I've "topped" the Durham tree at Eliza Durham with locked relationship's and added Kathryn's comments to the profiles.

Elizabeth Taylor

Should this part of the tree be topped?

Elizabeth Taylor

Should this part of the tree be topped?

Pam Wilson (on hiatus)
Blog links are broken.......

Yes, it appears this family can only be documented back to Sarah and Thomas.

Can you "top" this part of the tree at Sarah Elizabeth Howard .......

Erica Howton

.... removing my undocumented connection to a "fictitious" Cherokee profile Lettica ‘Lettie Hatchet Grey’ Howard

(No Name) done

I'm sorry about the blog links--when I copied them it appears that the ends of the URLs got cut off. Here they are:

http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

http://www.indianreservations.net/2016/07/the-passmore-chronicles-p...

Here is another Cherokee woman married to a Conrad and a Taylor. The number of children (especially given their names) seems very unlikely that all of them were hers. We need some cleanup here: https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001636281761

Kathryn Forbes wrote:

Jennie Ani-Wa'Ya of Ani-Waya Clan Conrad Taylor (Oconostota): this is another family that is hard to decipher from the records; the most likely scenario is that a German or Dutch trader named Johannes Conrad married a Cherokee woman named Jennie. It’s possible that this Jennie married the British soldier Charles Taylor. She is frequently confused with Jennie Walker Taylor, who married Thomas Fox Taylor, the Cherokee son of Charles Taylor.

Kathryn Forbes, can you tell us which of these members of the former tree off [Chief Attakullakulla "Little Carpenter", Cherokee Emissary to England Attakullakulla] are evidenced as his children (and partner/s)?

https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001636304183

I believe you have said Dragging Canoe and Turtle at Home were sons. Any others?

I just started a new discussion on naming conventions and how we might agree to enter information on the Cherokee tree.

https://www.geni.com/discussions/179426
Establishing some conventions for (re)building the Cherokee Tree

It's interesting to note that there was NO CARPENTER FAMILY in the early Cherokee tree--the name of Thomas Passmore Carpenter was apparently a lifting from a colonial Jamestown resident named Thomas Passmore who was, by occupation, a carpenter. Someone at some point created a faux Cherokee tree with TPC and his descendants and all those "Trader Tom" Carpenter generations, linked to all the fake Moytoy descendants--Whew! I've spent the past 3 days slicing and dicing and trying to clear all those fake profiles out of the tree.

PLEASE NOTE: Do not trust ANYTHING written by Don Greene in the Shawnee Heritage books. While they look good and well-researched, they are a recent source perpetrating much of this garbage.