Sancho I, rey de Navarra - Are these the same men?

Started by Sharon Doubell on Monday, February 19, 2018
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2/19/2018 at 7:27 AM

Deborah Copenhaver says of: Sancho Garcés, 1er. Rey de Pamplona and Sancho Garcés, 1er. Rey de Pamplona "I'm confused about the two Sanchos because they have similar birth and death dates, and they both have the same information on the overview tab."

Lúcia Pilla and Private User you Curate them. Can you come and answer?

2/19/2018 at 9:02 AM

There’s nigh two generations betwixt the two individuals Sancho I Garcés Rey de Pamplona & Sancho I Garcés de Navarra García rey de Navarra.

For Sancho I Garcés Rey de Pamplona, I have….

García I Garsea I Íñiguez Ennecones rey de Pamplona, 34G Grandfather
b. ca 810, Spain
d. 882, Lekunberri, Navarre, Spain (killed by Arabs)
& Urraca Fortúnez Sánchez de Gascogne, 34G Grandmother
| Sancho I Garcés Rey de Pamplona, 34G Grandfather
| b. 865, Sangüesa, Navarre, Navarre, Spain
| d. 10 Dec 925
| | Aznar Sánchez de Larraún, 33G Grandfather
| | b. between 870 and 890
| | & Onneca Fortúnez, 33G Grandmother
| | | Toda Aznárez Aznárez de Larrion reina consorte de Navarra, 32G Grandmother
| | | b. 2 Jan 876, Castile and León, Spain
| | | d. 15 Oct 958
| | | & Sancho I Garcés de Navarra García rey de Navarra, 32G Grandfather
| Oneca García de Pamplona, 33G Grandmother
| b. 847, Pamplona, Navarre,, Spain
| d. Jun 931, Aragon, Spain
| & Aznar II Galíndez conde de Aragón, 33G Grandfather
| | Galindo II Aznar conde de Aragón, 32G Grandfather
| | b. ca 875
| | d. 923
| | & Sancha García, 32G Grandmother
| | | Andregoto Galíndez condesa de Aragón, 31G Grandmother
| | | b. between 880 and 934, Spain ?
| | | d. 972, Spain ?
| | | & García III Sánchez de Navarra rey de Navarra, 31G Grandfather

for Sancho I Garcés de Navarra García rey de Navarra, I have….

García II Garsea Scemenonis Jiménez rey de Pamplona, 33G Grandfather
b. 835
d. ca 885
& Oneca Rebelle señora de Sangüesa, 33G Grandmother
| Sancho I Garcés de Navarra García rey de Navarra, 32G Grandfather
| b. ca 880
| d. 925, San Esteban de Deio
| & Toda Aznárez Aznárez de Larrion reina consorte de Navarra, 32G Grandmother
| | Sancha Sánchez de Navarra reina consorte de León, 31G Grandmother
| | b. ca 900
| | d. 952
| | & Fernán González de Castilla conde de Castilla, 31G Grandfather
| | | Urraca Fernández de Castilla reina consorte de Navarra**, 30G Grandmother
| | | b. ca 915
| | | d. ca 1007
| | | & Sancho II 'Abarca' García de Navarra de Navarre rei de Navarra, 30G Grandfather
| | García III Sánchez de Navarra rey de Navarra**, 31G Grandfather
| | b. ca 919, Spain ?
| | d. 22 Feb 970, Spain ?
| | & Andregoto Galíndez condesa de Aragón, 31G Grandmother
| | | Sancho II 'Abarca' García de Navarra de Navarre rei de Navarra**, 30G Grandfather
| | | b. ca 935
| | | d. 994
| | | & Urraca Fernández de Castilla reina consorte de Navarra, 30G Grandmother
| Sancha García, 32G Grandmother
| b. between 842 and 902
| d. ?
| & Galindo II Aznar conde de Aragón, 32G Grandfather
| | Andregoto Galíndez condesa de Aragón**, 31G Grandmother
| | b. between 880 and 934, Spain ?
| | d. 972, Spain ?
| | & García III Sánchez de Navarra rey de Navarra, 31G Grandfather

2/20/2018 at 10:49 PM

The whole area of the early Pamplonan and Navarran kings and their consorts is completely messed up on Geni. Someone needs to revisit the Spanish sources and redo things from García I Íñiguez, (c. 805 - † 870) ( https://www.geni.com/people/García-I-Íñiguez-rey-de-Pamplona/600000... ) through Sancho I, Rey de Navarra, (880 - 925) ( Sancho Garcés, 1er. Rey de Pamplona ). The fact that cousins married each other and brother-and-sister pairs married other brother-and-sister pairs doesn't make things any easier!

2/20/2018 at 11:08 PM

BTW, if anyone is interested in this period of Spanish/European history, I highly recommend Guy Gavriel Kay's novel "The Lions of Al-Rassan." Kay calls this an alternate history novel, but the struggle between the Moors, Christians and Jews comes piercingly to life; and echoes of the medieval poem 'El Cid' reverberate through Kay's lucid prose.

2/21/2018 at 4:20 AM

Hopefully the curators involved will come and sort it out when they get a chance.

2/24/2018 at 6:51 PM

Thanks Sharon

2/24/2018 at 7:16 PM

These lines are well-mapped on MedLands. There's no reason to wait for a curator to take charge. Users could begin cleaning up the lines any time, then call in individual curators if they need to change a locked profile.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAVARRE.htm

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