John Prescott - Parents disproven

So we've set up John Prescott

And should really find his death record to be complete

Susan Angeline Schumacher Lostetter

And thank you, David Sean Hinchen , for calling attention to the update needed.

Has it been published ?

Apparently the rebuttal to Weiss was published.

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  There is a fairly important note by John G. Hunt in Source:The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, p. 113:70-1 (1959), on John Prescott in which the author makes several points:
1. A series of books by Dr. Frederick Lewis Weis trace the ancestry of John Prescott based on his being a son named in the will of Ralph Prescott of Shevington, Standish parish, Lancashire, England. Hunt argues this is incorrect. Most significantly, the parish registers show the burial of a John Prescott of Shevington in 1616. But there are multiple John Prescotts in the parish, and so it is nearly impossible to say that the John mentioned in a 1609 will is the same as the one in New England. John Prescott of Lancaster did not name any children with family names from the Shevington family.
2. It is presumed that John is the founder of Lancaster, and so the name is assumed to mean he came from Lancashire. But in reality, he is only one of the founders, and it cannot be assumed that he alone was responsible for the name.
3. His children were baptized in Halifax, Yorkshire, England which is 40 miles away.
4. There are several Prescott families in the parishes in the border region of Yorkshire and Lancashire, including one Richard Precsott of Ince, Lancashire, England with will dated 1633, who like John of Lancaster, was a blacksmith.
  Yes, Weis was in error. Ralph is not the father. Ralph's son John remained in Lancashire where he died, leaving children and grandchildren that lived for many years. Weis had made false assumptions about the age of Ralph's son John and also about Ralph's other son. Weis had the other son in a prominent position in Wigan with a large family; however, Ralph's other son died as a child.

See research by Adell Prescott published in Prescotts Unlimited.

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source: https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:John_Prescott_(1)_

Includes notes about John Prescott's time in Sowerby, Yorkshire

http://prescott.one-name.net/index.php/Main_Page

The research published in Prescotts Unlimited, Vol. XIII, #2, refutes Weis' claim that John Prescott of Massachusetts was the son of Ralph Prescott of Standish.Therefore, all previously published English ancestry for John Prescott of Massachusetts should be disregarded.Research is continuing in an effort to prove the parentage of John Prescott of Massachusetts who came from Sowerby in Yorkshire to Massachusetts.

Below is an excerpt from the June 1992 article as published:"Ralph, son of Roger Prescott, resided in Shevington and died January 1608/09.The preponderance of evidence is that his only surviving son, John Prescott, was born circa 1590/91--not 1604--and did not marry in Yorkshire and move to Massachusetts, but married in Wigan, 30 September 1616, Margaret Walthew.The John Prescott who married Margaret Walthew resided at Longryding in Shevington and had two sons: Roger who married at Standish, 8 July 1641, Elizabeth Locker, and Ralph who married Margaret Rylands, circa 1648 [1649 marriage settlement at Shevington; will of Nicholas Rylands--CCC, January 1661/2].John of Longryding served as executor of the will of his nephew, Ralph Chamberlain, in 1653 [PCC 1653, 97 Brent].John was buried at Standish, 2 December 1661.His son Roger held Longryding until his death in 1702 [Will of Roer Prescott, CCC, 1702].According to the will of Nicholas Rylands, Ralph and Margaret were not residing at Shevington at 1657.They were apparently residing at Hindley, Wigan Parish.Rylands' inventory listed goods at Hindley, and one Ralph Prescott died in Hindley in 1679 [CCC].Roger Prescott of Longryding named John Prescott of Hindley as one of the overseers of his will in 1702.The will of Ralph of Hindley is on order from the Lancashire Record Office."

Below is an excerpt from the June 1992 article as published:"Ralph, son of Roger Prescott, resided in Shevington and died January 1608/09.The preponderance of evidence is that his only surviving son, John Prescott, was born circa 1590/91--not 1604--and did not marry in Yorkshire and move to Massachusetts, but married in Wigan, 30 September 1616, Margaret Walthew.The John Prescott who married Margaret Walthew resided at Longryding in Shevington and had two sons: Roger who married at Standish, 8 July 1641, Elizabeth Locker, and Ralph who married Margaret Rylands, circa 1648 [1649 marriage settlement at Shevington; will of Nicholas Rylands--CCC, January 1661/2].John of Longryding served as executor of the will of his nephew, Ralph Chamberlain, in 1653 [PCC 1653, 97 Brent].John was buried at Standish, 2 December 1661.His son Roger held Longryding until his death in 1702 [Will of Roer Prescott, CCC, 1702].According to the will of Nicholas Rylands, Ralph and Margaret were not residing at Shevington at 1657.They were apparently residing at Hindley, Wigan Parish.Rylands' inventory listed goods at Hindley, and one Ralph Prescott died in Hindley in 1679 [CCC].Roger Prescott of Longryding named John Prescott of Hindley as one of the overseers of his will in 1702.The will of Ralph of Hindley is on order from the Lancashire Record Office."
It should be noted that the will of Ralph of Hindley has been received and he was the brother of Roger Prescott of Longryding.John Prescott of Hindley who was overseer of the will of Roger Prescott of Longryding was the son of Ralph Prescott of Hindley and nephew of Roger Prescott of Longryding.

It should be noted that the will of Ralph of Hindley has been received and he was the brother of Roger Prescott of Longryding.John Prescott of Hindley who was overseer of the will of Roger Prescott of Longryding was the son of Ralph Prescott of Hindley and nephew of Roger Prescott of Longryding.
Regarding John Prescott of Longryding who served as executor of the will of his nephew Ralph Chamberlain in 1653, it should be noted that Ralph Chamberlain was the son of Edward Chamberlain who married a sister of John Prescott, as Ralph Chamberlain speaks in his will of a bed given to him by his Grandmother Prescott.

Regarding John Prescott of Longryding who served as executor of the will of his nephew Ralph Chamberlain in 1653, it should be noted that Ralph Chamberlain was the son of Edward Chamberlain who married a sister of John Prescott, as Ralph Chamberlain speaks in his will of a bed given to him by his Grandmother Prescott.
There seems to be no doubt that John Prescott, son of Ralph Prescott who died in 1608/09, continued to live at Longryding in Shevington as had his father Ralph Prescott, his grandfather Roger Prescott, and his great-grandfather Ralph Prescott.Hesketh Muniments, DDHe/59, No. 24, proves that in 1568, Ralph Prescott, his wife, and his son Roger were tenants there in 1568.This Roger died October 1594 [Will recorded CCC 1594].

There seems to be no doubt that John Prescott, son of Ralph Prescott who died in 1608/09, continued to live at Longryding in Shevington as had his father Ralph Prescott, his grandfather Roger Prescott, and his great-grandfather Ralph Prescott.Hesketh Muniments, DDHe/59, No. 24, proves that in 1568, Ralph Prescott, his wife, and his son Roger were tenants there in 1568.This Roger died October 1594 [Will recorded CCC 1594].
It should also be noted that Weiss stated that there was a gap in Standish Parish records for a several year period, and therefore the 1604 baptism of John who came to Massachusetts was missing.There is no gap in the Standish records for that period; in fact, they were published in 1912.There was a gap around 1590/91 which would explain why the actual baptismal date for Ralph's son John cannot be confirmed.But extant records in Standish support that John, son of Ralph, lived and died in Longryding in Shevingnton.

It should also be noted that Weiss stated that there was a gap in Standish Parish records for a several year period, and therefore the 1604 baptism of John who came to Massachusetts was missing.There is no gap in the Standish records for that period; in fact, they were published in 1912.There was a gap around 1590/91 which would explain why the actual baptismal date for Ralph's son John cannot be confirmed.But extant records in Standish support that John, son of Ralph, lived and died in Longryding in Shevingnton.

Adell Prescott did extensive research back in the 1990s and planned to publish a book on the English ancestry of John Prescott. When the error was discover in the early 2000s, she basically had to throw her manuscript away. I was in communication with her as we were both researching are common ancestor, John Prescott of Lancaster Mass.

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:John_Prescott_%281%29

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Ooo, heartbreak find.

Bet he’s from (near) Sowersby. I’m finding whole hives of Yorkshire men emigrating.

The unknown origin of three early (mid-1600s) Prescott immigrants to the US
By C. Eugene (Gene) Prescott
February 25, 2020
The known three Prescott immigrants were:
John Prescott of Massachusetts (1640) = The Prescott Memorial, Dr. William Prescott published in 1870. https://archive.org/details/prescottmemorial00pres/page/n8/mode/1up (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link)
John Prescott of Virginia (1653) – Adell Taylor Prescott many books on descendants of John Prescott of Virginia (1653) from 1976-1992 (all print only) A partial list is at following link:
https://www.worldcat.org/wcidentities/lccn-n78029379 (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link)
James Prescott of New Hampshire (1665) – The Prescott Memorial, Dr. William Prescott published in 1870. https://archive.org/details/prescottmemorial00pres/page/n8/mode/1up (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link)

The Prescott Memorial, published in 1870, purports to know the parentage of John Prescott of Massachusetts and James Prescott of New Hampshire. Since the book has been published so long and exists online, it has been frequently quoted and used in many genealogical trees that have been posted online in many places. In spite of the book having been proven wrong on both accounts.
The information regarding John Prescott of Massachusetts is here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:John_Prescott_Ancestry_Disproved (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link)
The information regarding James Prescott of New Hampshire is here: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AtCQd8P_rTWLhfxPNSzlk44DNweHJA?e=kxbuFS (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link)
Both proofs were made by Adell Taylor Prescott and published in the former quarterly print newsletter, Prescotts Unlimited. Even though Adell was able to prove The Prescott Memorial was in error as to the parentage of both of the early New England Prescotts, she has not been able establish their correct parentage or that of John Prescott of Virginia (1640).
So, currently, we do not know the English roots of any of the three. However, via YDNA67 testing of descendants, we know the YDNA haplotype of the two New England Prescotts as well that of John of Virginia. And, by YDNA67 testing of living, male, English Prescotts we know that two of them and the New England Prescotts (and, two Polynesian Prescotts) all shared a common ancestor prior to 1600. We haven’t yet encountered an English YDNA haplotype match to descendants of John Prescott of Virginia.
In his paper entitled The English Prescotts, Paul Prescott of Worcestershire, UK, opines there are likely multiple different genetic persons who adopted the surname Prescott. YDNA testing to date (9 completed English tests) tends to confirm Paul’s speculation. While 2 of the 9 match other known Prescotts, 7 do not match any other tested Prescott, including each other. Read Paul’s paper here: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AtCQd8P_rTWLhcJn_DxiaUnv0tWIVw?e=Fz0wIc (Ctrl, click, with cursor on link) Additional testing (2 are in progress) of English, male, Prescotts is needed, perhaps as many as 30. A reason it may take more testing of UK Prescotts than US Prescotts is because there has been less traditional genealogical research done on the English. Nothing equivalent to The Prescott Memorial or Adell Taylor Prescotts’ many publications has been encountered. As all Prescotts, everywhere, are at least connected to the surname, if not genetically, it is hoped that enough YDNA testing can be accomplished so that they can know with whom and where their connection originated.