Lt. Colonel Nathaniel Pope, I - English ancestry

Does anyone have the correct parents for him? The couple on offer by Geni did not have dates that worked. See notes in the profile "about."

I did a Google search "Lucy Nathaniel Pope".

It generated several results:

1 - http://www.mark.stickels.org/FamilyTree2/Pope-Nathaniel.html This source states that Nathaniel's father is Richard with church records to support. It also names his mother as Sarah (or Elizabeth) Jenney. The dates for these "parents" do not make sense given Nathaniel's birth year 1603.

2 - https://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&a...

This source, at the bottom, names a Nathanial Pope born circa 1577 in England.

3 - https://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&p=nathaniel&n=pope This source has his father as Richard Pope circa 1585 to 1652. It also gives Nathaniel's wife a last name - Fox.

4 - https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php/Nathaniel-Pope/p108463 This source has still different parents. It agrees that Lucy was a Fox prior to her marriage and supplies her parents and grandparents.

There are other results than what i have listed above but they do not disclose any parentage for Nathaniel.

"descended from NINE Barons of The Magna Carta and King JOHN of England.1603 in near Bristol, England Death: 27 APR 1660 in will probated Westmoreland Co., Virginia Immigration: 1635/1636 Military Service: Lt. Colonel"

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He should be in books, then. And the Archives of Maryland.

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The Fox maiden name for his wife seems a mix up with a later Lucy Fox that married into the Pope family.

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http://aomol.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000426/html/am426--656.html

POPE, NATHANIEL (?-1660). IMMIGRATED: by 1637/38, as a free adult.
RESIDED: on ''Pope's Freehold," St. Mary's County; moved to Virginia by 1654. MARRIED Luce (Lucy).
CHILDREN.
SONS: Thomas (?-1685), who married Joanna; Nathaniel, who married Mary Sisson.
DAUGHTERS: Anne, who married by 1658 John Washington; Margaret, who married William Hardwick.
PRIVATE CAREER.
EDUCATION: illiterate.
RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION: Protestant. .......

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https://archive.org/stream/jstor-1915552/1915552#page/n1/mode/2up has no parents for him

https://famouskin.com/family-group.php?name=3657+nathaniel+pope&amp...

Has no parents for him either

Sources for Nathaniel Pope

1 Hoppin, Charles Arthur, The Washington Ancestry: and Records of the McClain, Johnson, and Forty Other Colonial American Families, Greenfield, Ohio: Privately Printed (1932), Vol. 1, p. 340, Ancestry.com (Online Database).
2 Kennedy, Mary Selden, Seldens of Virginia and Allied Families, Volume 1, New York: Frank Allaben Genealogical Company (1911), 344.
3 Roberts, Gary Boyd, comp., Ancestors of American Presidents, Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society (2009), 2.
4 Wikipedia, "John Washington", (accessed 2/20/2010).

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I would say we need to lock him up as a parents unknown.

No parents, but good notes, this one caught my eye

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http://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I01803...

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NATHANIEL POPE, in 1637 one of the twenty-four freemen of the "Grand Inquest" in Maryland, was exempted in 1643, with his nine menial servants, from all military service. Sent as agent to Kent Island 1647, in 1650 he removed to Virginia, on Pope's Creek. "On the 4th April, 1655, Commissioned for ye County of Westmoreland;" also, "Appointed by ye Governor & Council to be of ye Militia for ye said County Lieut Col. Nathaniel Pope." By Governor and Council made one16 of the Quorum. The Will of "Coll. Nathaniel Pope of Appomattox, Westmoreland County, Gentleman, about to go to England," dated May 16, 1659, and proven April 20, 1660, contains bequests to son-in-law John Washington, and son-in-law William Hardidge.

Source: Bibliographic Information: Ancestral Records and Portraits vol.2 The Grafton Press. New York. 1910.

http://www.red1st.com/axholme/getperson.php?personID=I1750666445&am... has some interesting references but took away parents

Occupation Inherited 1/2 Noble's Corner, Barton Regis, Gloucester. 

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Genealogical Gleanings in England, Henry F. Waters, (Clearfield County, Baltimore (reprint), Genealogical Pub. County Baltimore 1969, orig. pub. 1907, 1800 pp), p 392.
His father Thos Pope's will mentions him as a son

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On the last I think this may be a mixup (again) with the immigrant to Boston, because Harry Waters, in his Genealogical Gleanings series for TAG, was usually investigating New England ancestry

My mother, Anna Pope Bland, was always proud of the descent of bother her parents on the line from Nathaniel Pope Sr b 1603 down to his great grandson, Worden Pope. So when I started my genealogical work in the early ´70´s it was a point of major interest, which I made no progress on while working with hardcopy until my pensioning in 2005, when I started digitalizing the 3000 or so pages I had on all branches of the family.
After continuous work since then in genealogy what I have managed to put together on the family from googling into hundreds of internet postings and Gedcom pedigrees of my DNA matches at FTDNA is posted at

www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Po8WordenPope.html .
A few DNA matches with McCarty descendants, who connect with a presumed brother of Nathaniel Pope offer emerging evidence of this early Pope relationship. So I invite all to participate in the autosomal Family Finder test at FTDNA or upload any test results from another portal at FTDNA, so that they show up on my match list or each other´s. Further, to report relevant matches in the Pope tree to me, so it can be noted there as a collection point for Pope DNA findings as evidence of our relationship.
The importance of using the Gedcom pedigree genration facility at FTDNA cannot be emphasized enough: only with clear lines of descent from your earliest ancestors in all branches is it possible for me or other persons doing DNA comparisons to establish which matching DNA segments are from which ancestors. For those wary of revealing any data about themselves or immediate family, it will be relieving to know that, first, you can use initials for living persons and leave out the dates and places of birth and death, and second, if you do not mark the person in your tree as deceased, no match at FTDNA can access the data. Unfortunately, many Gedcoms at FTDNA are inaccessible, because the test person does not know the latter fact and leaves generations of ancestors marked as living, even persons born before 1700: I did not know I am related to so many persons of such ripe old age.
Happy digging!
Bill
Dr. William Hester
william at multiwords.de

Dr. jur. William Griffith Hester thank you for posting.

As we have learned, the Pope family on Geni needed a cleanup. If you spot any other errors we’d appreciate a posting of the Geni profile to correct it.

Geni has linking (free) to ftDNA so I hope everyone gets their DNA test results uploaded.

Hi, Erica,
The Pope family is one of the smaller pots on my stove, and clicking through geni.com to make suggestions is rather time consuming.
I prefer working in my manually generated HTML table pedigrees with everything on one family in a scroll down and scroll over pedigree.
Since doing the family finder test 5 years ago, I have been driven to fill in ALL of the collateral lines of ALL of my 300 or so ancestral trees to be able to identify the common ancestors I share with my DNA matches. I have averaged 60 hours of work per week on this task and doing DNA comparison series on the match groups shared by about 100 of my 4500 matches now. Most of what I have is just what I have pieced together from what others have posted. There have been a lot of contradictions to reconcile, so let´s not speak of mistake and corrections. "Guesstimation" and refinement are better. No way would I have time to examine all the original documents from the archives, even if I had them all lying on my desk. (that is not a physical possibilty, as 350 sq-ft. study is too small to contain them - if they all existed).
But my great aunt-in-law did do up the direct Pope line rather well, as she was a member of the Filson Club in Louisville. She left behind a long front at G6 to G13 to expand upon, as did my father´s cousins, so I have been able to fight my way out to the range of G10 to G45 on almost all fronts.
Best greetings,
Bill

Well done, and keep up the good work.