Hester Harington - Did Hester Harington survive and marry?

This is a source about the property. My reading is that the property from Ethelreda Malte had reverted to Isabella Harrington, John's widow.

http://archive.org/stream/miscellaneagenea03lond#page/n15/mode/2up

Tagging family member profiles mentioned in the article

John ‘the poet’ Harington, Esq., of Stepney

Awdrey Harington

John Malte

Sir John ‘the writer’ Harington, Kt., of Kelston

I haven't found any issues with the Stubbs connection so far.

A History of the County of Berkshire: Volume 4, published in 1924, traces the manor of Watchfield.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/berks/vol4/pp531-543

I have checked the PCC copy of John Malte's will and can confirm his illegitimate daughter Awdrey was given the "The manor of Wachenfeld in the countie of Berkeshire."

Can confirm the marriage between Hester Heringtonn and William Stubbs in 1574. Digital copies of the parish register are on findmypast. I found their entry but it does not give any additional information.

There are two Chancery equity suits, one in 1630 and the other in 1637 which mention Hester Stubbs, widow & Watchfield, Berkshire. The first one specifically mentions the "manor of Watchfield."

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5195385

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5427687

So the question is:

Did “this” Hester Harrington in fact survive childhood to marry William Stubbs?

The proof is given at the bottom this page:
https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/more-about-hester/

I have recently found a document in the National Archives, Tatton v Stubbes page. This document is quite badly damaged and feint but it is important as it confirms the identify of Hester.

The document is between William Stubbes, Hester’s husband and son in law Robert Tatton and a large part of it is legible. Most of it is regarding money loans but it also drags other family members into the document including Bartholomew and George Stubbes and, most importantly, the reference below:

"this Deffendant & [the] said Sir John Harrington, this Deffendants Brother in lawe"

William is the defendant in this case and this document proves that Hester is therefore the daughter of John Harington and Awdrey Malte, and the half-sister of Sir John Harington, his son by his second wife Isabella Markham.

Here is an image of the actual document:
https://genesurfing.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/c-2_jasl_t4_9-width...

OK, you read the blog the same way I do. This is All News to me — I had last looked at it some years ago.

Do we have the Stubbs family on Geni ?

One of the Stubbs daughters is here:
Anne Codrington

She has the wrong birth year and probably wasn't born in Bath, Somerset. She was baptised, 09 Jan 1575 at St Clement Danes, Westminster, London.

She was the sister of:
Harrington Stubbs baptised 14 Jun 1578 at St Clement Danes
Susan Stubbs baptised 03 Jul 1582 at St Clement Danes
Theophila Stubbs baptised 21 Dec 1584 at St Clement Danes

Correction: Susan & Theophila Stubbs were baptised at St Dunstan, Stepney, London.

Please review profiles for the the William Stubbs family 

William Stubbs, of Watchfield
His wife Hester Stubbs

Their children  

Anne Codrington her husbands Robert Codrington, I & Ralph Marsh
Harrington Stubbs
Susan Tatton
Theophilia Cooper

Their spouses have not been identified yet (?)

"The document is between William Stubbes, Hester’s husband and son in law Robert Tatton and a large part of it is legible"

I believe his wife was Margaret. Stubbs?

From: https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/more-about-hester/

The will of Hester

The probate record and inventory for Hester is held in Reading at the Berkshire records office.

I now have a transcription of her will and although it gives useful information about her children it reveals nothing about her pedigree.

She was still living at West Mill in Watchfield when she died but no longer owned the manor which was transferred to Thomas Tatton, her grandson, after the death of William in 1630, or possibly before.

She confirms her eldest daughter as Anne Marshe widow, which shows that Anne’s second husband Ralph Marshe was deceased by 1639 – her first husband was Robert Codrington, who died in 1618.

"I give and bequethe unto my eldest daughter Anne Marshe widowe the som[m]e of twelve pence and to each of her Children twelve pence a peece."

Youngest daughter Theophilia first married Thomas Garrard of Inkpen, Berkshire and her children from that marriage are identified in the will – he died in 1617.

She remarried “Cowper” at some point – as she is named in the will – but I can find no record of the marriage or any further children.

"I give & bequeathe unto my daughter Cowper one Fether bed, one payre of sheetes, one Rugg & my laste made gowne, and to her sonne Will[ia]m Garrard twelve pence, to her sonne Roger Garrard tenn powndes to her daughter Marye tenn powndes and to her sonne John five powndes, & I will that my daughter Cowper shall have all those garment[es] & Clothes w[hi]ch are in her owne truncke w[hi]ch standeth att my bed[es] feete."

Susan married Robert Tatton and had at least two sons, Thomas and George.

"I give unto everye one of my daughter Tattons Children twelve pence a peece."

Found two baptisms for children of Theophilia Stubbs & Thomas Garrard.

William Garrard was baptised 24 Oct 1609 at Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
GARRET William s Tho., gent, Watchfielde

Mary Garrard was baptised 23 Jul 1615 at Inkpen, Berkshire, England

Their father Thomas Garrard was buried 14 Nov 1617 at Inkpen, Berkshire, England

There is a marriage between Theophila Gerard & John Cooper in 1618 at St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England

So this is the Robert Tatton 1st married to Eleanor Warren?

Here he is in Burke's 1838 - without Susan Stubbs listed

https://books.google.com/books?id=yshsAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA454&dq...

He was probably her husband but it's unconfirmed.

https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/tatton-v-stubbes/

Robert Tatton, Esq.

Do you think Robert Tatton who married Eleanor Warren was the same Robert Tatton who married Susan Stubbs?

I've found Susan's burial record.

Mrs Susan Tatton of Westmill was buried 27 Dec 1624 at Shrivenham, Berkshire, England

Here's Tatton in Earwaker

https://books.google.com/books?id=VwMcAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA311&ot...

East Cheshire: Past and Present: Or, A History of the Hundred of ..., Volume 1 By John Parsons Earwaker

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So far it's clear that

- Susan Stubbs married a Tatton
- something went disastrously wrong for her poor father, who loved her dearly, and forgave her elopement. And then had to sue & sue

This conclusion so far seems the right possibility

https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/tag/tatton/

"There seems plenty of evidence that Susan married the elder Robert Tatton and that his son, Robert, may have died in childhood – or was alive, but was not the suitor of Susan."

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But I'd really like to figure out her children, because that's where we're going: who if any descends from Hester Harrington

You'll notice that Earwaker does not note any Stubbs or Harington arms.

BUT that's where the sleuthing blog started: trying to identify mystery arms.

There was a George Tatton born 01 Jul 1612 and baptised 08 Jul 1612 in Northenden, Cheshire, England. Father was Robert Tatton, mother not recorded.

He is recorded as a son of Eleanor in this pedigree
https://archive.org/stream/historyofcountyp03orme#page/314/mode/2up

He probably wasn't her son. The genesurfing blog points out Eleanor would have been nearly 50 by this date.

Thomas Tatton was born 15 Jan 1614 and baptised 26 Jan 1614 at Saint Mildred Poultry With Saint Mary Colechurch, London. Father was Robert Tatton and mother was Susan.

Robert Tatton apparently died in Southwark, London in 1623, but I can't find a matching burial record.

https://books.google.com/books?id=VwMcAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA311&dq... Tatton tree jn Earwalker, no Stubbs

I do think Eleanor Warren died about 1612, and a man who fights with his father seems likely to fight with his father in law.

There does not seem room in his sons for a marriage to an unknown woman. So I'm leaning to agreeing with the blog.

I've set up a ?? Tatton profile for her husband, hopefully accumulate more evidence, work on the other kids.

- William Tatton died May 19, and was buried at Northenden May 30, 1611

- Robert his differences his arms as eldest son, Tatton impales Warren in the church window

Is this the event at Eleanor Warren's death, his father's death, and before a new marriage? He had a busy year. :)

Susan Stubbs definitely married a Robert Tatton. The document from the National Archives concerns Robert Tatton and William Stubbes.

"And this Defendant [William Stubbes] further sha[ll] sayth that the said complainant [Robert Tatton] is so furr from makeing [provision] for his said wife & children, That of late (As this deffendant is credibly informed) the said complainant, & his sone and heir apparant by a former wife, have so handled the matter betwen them, that all the inheritance of the land sometymes in the father of the complainant is setled & stated in his said son, & noe provision made either for the Joynture of this Deffendantes daughter, nor any portions provided for her children, as this Deffendant hath credibly heard & doeth verily beleave yea & that which is more the said complainant doth threaten to turne [return] her his said wife to this Deffendant her father, & will not allowe her such […]ong as is fitting for a woman of her estate & calling."

Note it mentions "complainant, & his sone and heir apparant by a former wife."

It is also clear Robert Tatton had children with William Stubbs daughter "noe provision made either for the Joynture of this Deffendantes daughter, nor any portions provided for her children."

The document is dated 1603-1625.

It seems to fit with Robert Tatton, Esq. and I haven't found any reason to disagree with the blogger.

Thomas Tatton was definitely Susan's son. He sold the manor of Watchfield. He is also recorded with his grandmother, Hester Stubbs, widow, in 1637 concerning property in Watchfield and Shrivenham, Berkshire.

I've made the merge. I don't see any other possibility?

I don't see any other possibility either.

This is an interesting genealogy find. Many kudos to the blogger.

Is there an image of the manor at Watchfield?

My own lingering question is that the Earwaker article is good, based on family papers, and no mention of a Susan Stubbs or her children. BUT he's also clear that perhaps because this Robert Tatton was disinherited, he is difficult to account for in detail. So I don't think he'd object from the grave.

Yes, the blogger has done some very detailed and original research, it's impressive.

Robert Tatton ran away with a woman who was betrothed to someone else. A disgrace to both families and certainly something that the Tatton's would want to omit from their family tree and coat of arms.

This is West Mill House
http://www.whereitis.co.uk/watchfield.chronicle/key-page/the-17th-c...

Survey of the Manor and Tithing of Watchfield
http://www.shrivenhamheritagesociety.co.uk/listing.asp?listID=344

The visitation of Berkshire incorrectly records Theophilia Stubbs as the daughter of Bartholomew Stubbs. Some of those heraldic visitations are notoriously unreliable.

The baptism record for Theophilia Stubbs records her father as William and she is recorded in her mother's will with her children. There is also another document where Susan and Theophilia are recorded with William Stubbs, no Bartholomew.