Wladislaus III, King of Poland and Hungary - Wladislaus III Henrik Jagiellon father of colon family?

Dear Walter,

Well done! This error must be corrected.

Kind regards

Jan

buy the book (columbus the untold story) by manuel rosa first before enything

OK .... there is no( error ) if your just showing an alternative and can back it up ....just saying....

Unfortunately Geni's software does not support the option to show alternate relationships, in the case of Christopher Columbus the idea that he was the son of the King of Poland is a very late conspiracy theory which ranks along side the idea that Elvis is still alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_theories_of_Christopher_Columb...

I have reversed the merge which was done last month creating this situation.

Colombus is a very popular historical figure and I would like to think that someone with more knowledge than I have will revert the tree to a more accepted structure in the next 24 hours, if not i will spend some time on Saturday morning myself.

Thank you Walter, Edward and Edward.

ok .........wikipedia is government propaganda not worth the time....

ya i know what you mean with the conspiracy theory........ the problem started when christophers son fernando colon did his own research on the genealogy years after his father died and came away with nothing ......and that was then.......and fernando was a very intelligent man.......

what ever geni wants to do with colon is fine with me....... the definitive part is genetics (manuel rosa) is working on that stay tuned....

The tree Christopher Columbus, is completely wrong, in my relationship, they are all my relatives and ancestors, transformed to red line. Dad and Mom, hardly met, such is the controversy that if established, during centuries, changed by son. Who has read a little about is story, can not assign parents.

Last ADN news : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jhH-Da8J8mgJ:w...

O mistério da nacionalidade de Cristóvão Colombo pode ser finalmente desvendado, graças a uma amostra de ADN com 500 anos. Uma equipa de investigadores da Universidade de Coimbra e do Instituto Superior Técnico de Lisboa quer acabar com as dúvidas e, para isso, vai desenvolver análises de ADN de uma pessoa que se acredita ter ligações familiares com o navegador.

A teoria mais consensual é a de que Cristóvão Colombo nasceu em Génova, na Itália, mas há vários especialistas que apontam que o responsável pela descoberta da América possa ter origem na Catalunha, na Galiza ou até mesmo em Portugal.

Quem também contribuiu para o aumento das dúvidas foi Fernando Colombo, filho de Cristóvão Colombo, uma vez que, na sua biografia, não revelou a origem do pai, deixando a comunidade científica em alvoroço.

Os investigadores portugueses querem provar que o navegador era português e que, além disso, o seu nome real era Pedro Ataíde, um corsário português do século XV.

Esta tese foi desenvolvida pelo professor Fernando Branco, do Instituto Superior Técnico de Lisboa, num livro publicado em 2012, com o título “Cristóvão Colombo, Nobre Português”, no qual o autor aponta mais de meia centena de coincidências entre a vida do navegador e a de Pedro Ataíde.

Ataíde foi dado como morto na batalha naval do Cabo de São Vicente, em 1473, onde combateu junto de um corsário francês chamado Culon. De acordo com a tese de Fernando Branco, Pedro Ataíde conseguiu salvar-se e nadar até à costa do Algarve. Aí, decidiu mudar o nome para Pedro Colombo (ou Colun), por motivos de segurança, uma vez que a família de Ataíde era perseguida em Portugal, por ter participado num esquema para matar o rei D. João II.

Há um conjunto de indícios que apontam para que o seu verdadeiro nome seja Pedro Colombo. Nunca escreveu o seu nome como Cristóvão Colombo. Assinava como almirante ou com uma assinatura encriptada, na qual se podem ler várias coisas, entre elas ‘Pedro Colombro’”, explicou Fernando Branco à Agência EFE.

A biografia de Colombo afirma que o navegador chegou a Portugal em 1476, a nado, após um naufrágio, o que reforça esta tese que será agora posta à prova.

Para provar a teoria de que Cristóvão Colombo era, na verdade, o português Pedro Ataíde, o grupo de investigadores das duas universidades vai analisar ADN extraído dos ossos de um primo direito de Ataíde e compará-lo com o ADN do filho de Colombo, que já foi analisado e sequenciado em Espanha em 2006.

Estou quase seguro que o seu nome era Pedro Colombo. Falta comprovar se existe relação com Pedro Ataíde”, acrescenta o investigador do Instituto Superior Técnico.

Esta análise só será possível se os ossos do primo de Ataíde estiverem em bom estado, o que, de momento, não se sabe, porque o túmulo ainda não foi aberto. Os investigadores portugueses esperam poder fazê-lo depois do verão, quando pensam conseguir as autorizações necessárias, que já foram pedidas há vários anos.

TEMAS:
CRISTÓVÃO COLOMBO

NACIONALIDADE

INVESTIGADORES

The article is a story about a planned DNA research project based on a very specific theory. When the DNA results are published it might make a very interesting read but otherwise it is just another theory.

(thank you)... for being Open minded..........(i think)

please check again the problem still

Walter Fernando Pagliardini
Can you please check, I have merged the "Polish" Cristobel Colon and his brothers into the MP Christopher Columbus and his family.

I am not sure what to do with Bárbara Henriques Alemão

Alex Moes: you did not make a research, did not read the latest works published on this matter, did not analyse evidence data available, did not read materials recently made available in Vatican archives... and yet whatever is not known to you - must be a "conspiracy theory".

There are several historical (very popular - by your terms) personalities, that have alternate legends about their lives and evidence might support not one of the versions. Please do not start deleting those profiles based on your knowledge (or not knowledge).

Please restore the erased profiles of Christopher Columbus. Please tolerate other opinions and other peoples work. You do not have to read the book and analyze the evidence, but please do not vandalize work that was done by other people.

ya i know it s##ks!! having my profiles deleted .....Viktorija......maybe we can work around thes problem.......or something..... :(

Hi Private User,

Geni's stated goal is "One profile per person", the fact that there are multiple theories regarding Columbus' ancestry just not require that a duplicate profile be created.

There are two options, disconnect the man from any ancestors and explain why and the options in his profile OR attach him to the most accepted ancestry with notes and explanations in the profile.

I am well aware, thanks to this Discussion, that there are multiple ancestral claims against Columbus, your creating a duplicate and connecting it to the ex-King of Poland did not help to illustrate the matter.

Point of note, I did not Delete the profiles you and Edward created I Merged them into the appropriate existing MPs which was the appropriate course of action given the situation.

I can see using Translate that there is some Discussion in the About in Spanish(?) regarding Columbus' origins but truth be told it looks like it is just cut and paste from Wikipedia, as does the English portion of the About. It is a shame you did not spend your time improving the quality of the MP instead of creating (blank) duplicate profiles for he and his family.

There are few exclusions to the rule "one profile per person" for persons, where due to historical evidence, popular knowledge, sources from different countries... both versions must be left unmerged.

Plus, the profile you merged was described as a different person, only birth and death dates were matching:
1) he never signed his name as Christopher Columbus, nor in Italian as Cristoforo Colombo,
2) he was not born in Genoa,
3) he did not speak Italian language,
4) he was not a son of uneducated weaver,
5) he was born in a high noble family, married to noble person.
6) he was well educated since early childhood,
7) he knew where he was providing flotilla...

The profile you erased was based on the evidence described in Manuel da Silva Rosa book, with multiple documents in there provided.

I respect other people's wish to believe in fairy-tales about an uneducated man being an admiral of the seas, marrying a princess, etc, so I did not erase your fictional character. Please restore the profile that was created on more realistic evidence.

This is not an issue of a different opinion between two people. This is a historical, political, culturally-global issue, in some sense acceptance of it is similar to accepting that Earth is not a center of a universe anymore. So let's not create a fight, but give people time to accept new evidence, new theories.

Worldwide DNA analysis, if performed, may alter up to 30% of all genealogy known today. Let's wait and see what new facts might reveal in the future. Once political and cultural tensions over Columbus's origins will settle, once Columbus's DNA analysis results will be published openly, once it is known how that DNA matches other known genealogy lineages... let's keep both trees here on GENI. Please do not merge profile created based on documents into fairy-tale "male Cinderella" profile.

I do not mind, if you erase the other one - the weaver's son's profile, but you might create too many enemies here on GENI. There are too many people who still find comfort in knowing that things they learned once in childhood remain unchanged during the lifetime.

One person, one profile. We have allowed two profiles when the person is mythical but Columbus was not. Our goal here show be to have that one profile for him and to attach the ancestry that shows the majority academic opinion.

Viktorija has a point. (columbus) could have been discarded but we were (respecting) others........... o well....... i am shore we can work together on something .......

thats true he did not sign his name columbus it was(: Xpo ferens (.) / which is something like colon because the king of portugal spain and i believe french king called him (colon) .........colon is member .......and columbus is pigeon like (member of the order) of something....

XPO FERENS (.) is........ christ-going-member meaning bringing christ to the new world ......or the bringer of christ

(.) member of the order of (christ) something like that.....

it is true that the portugal king would never allow a italian peasant to merry in to portugese high nobility......... penalty is death of course......

There are two completely separate issues at play:

1) the ancestry of the man popularly known in English as Christopher Columbus

2) how to deal with uncertain ancestries on Geni

As to (1), I really don't care, you can argue that amongst yourselves but I suggest starting a new Discussion from the main profile would get more input.

As to (2), making a duplicate tree is not the accepted method.

You can say anything you want about (1) but it will not change the fact that you were wrong about (2) and should know better.

Ok......i was not the one that merged the too diego colons ......................one that was diego (2) ......you said you did which brought the panda bear to complain ok lets deal with (1) and (2) and i am shore theres a solution .......

Justin Swanström: Christopher Columbus, as he is known in popular American and Italian culture today and is described in children's history books - is a mythical person, a "male Cinderella" fairy-tale character. Academic opinion with copies of archive documents is available here: http://www.columbus-book.com/

Someone has a theory. You’re a True Believer. That’s great, but it’s not news. There is always someone who wants to be famous for a new discovery.

I’ve seen this book. It’s nothing to write home about. Independent press, not an academic imprint. The awards it has won are typical of sensational books written for popular consumption. We’re played with the idea of carrying it in our store. We’d put it in with the stuff about Atlantis, the Templar discovery of America, and the descendants of Jesus.

I’ve been hearing theories about Columbus’ ancestry as long as I can remember. He’s Catalan. He’s Portuguese. He’s Jewish. He’s Polish. He’s Irish. He’s Welsh. He’s Basque. Everyone has an opinion. Every year about this time the newspapers run an article about one of the theories. And for at least the past 10 years there have been articles about some pending DNA test that might settle the question. So far they've never come to anything.

I can easily believe there’s a mystery here but I don’t see that any of the theories have gained wide support among the experts. It’s all just wild speculation.

Justin Swanström: sure you've now seen one page on the Internet about this book and you are a True Skeptic who will form an opinion without analysis. And all other fairy-tale stories that are created in the world will give you more ground to dismiss the evidence without reading it.

Inside this book there are 140 images, maps and diagrams, 8 full color pages of evidence - copies of documents, letters from Vatican archives, hand written documents by the person we are arguing here about... There is enough evidence to prove existence of that person and to give a reason not to erase his profile on GENI. Keep your "uneducated-peasant-admiral-married to princess" profile, as you see more "logic" in that story. But please do not erase profile based on multiple documents.

Viktorija, you are going far beyond the evidence.

Somehow you think I've never seen a copy of this book. I have. I'm a bookstore buyer.

Somehow you think I have an opinion about the Great Columbus Mystery. I don't.

Somehow you think the number of images, maps, and diagrams is proof of something. It's not. They're typical of books of this type. It's typical of what people do when they write a book like this. You have to look deeper.

It's easy to read one book on a subject and be convinced by the author's arguments. People do it all the time. The real test is when you also read an author who disagrees. Then you discover the problems that never occurred to you. This is why it's best to stick with the majority opinion of experts instead of rabbiting off in your direction.

Alex has already explained to you that on Geni our goal is one person, one profile. If you want to change that one profile you need to start a public discussion, and you need to be prepared to present evidence that the version you are arguing has the support of the majority of experts.