Mathieu/Mahieu de Savoye - Sources

Dear Sharon,

I am contacting you about this profile: Constantine's Dad...

The parents is as follows:

Mathieu de Savoie (1520-1575) and Lusette Barbieur (>1528-<1600)

Grandparents: Claude de Savoie (1490-...) and Catherine ... (1508-...)

The follws: Michiel de Savoie (1470)

Jacque de Savoye (1450)

Ludovico I (Louis I) de Savoie (1413) and Anne Lusignan (1418)

Amadeus VIII de Savoy (1383) and Mary de Valois Burgandy (1386)

Amadeus VII de Savoy (1360) and Bonne de Berry (1365)

Amadeo de Savoy (1334) and Bonne de Bourbon (1341)

Aimone de Savoy (?) and Violante Paleólogia del Montferrato (?)

Amadeus de Savoy (?) and Miribel "Sibylle" de Bauge-Bresse (?)

Hope this will assist with updating the de Savoye ancestry line!

Sincerely,

Hester Margaretha Pienaar
Unknown father of Jacques de Savoye

Constantine's Dad?

No Jacque de Savoye's dad.... it seems like the link for some or orther reasons jumepd to the discussion on Constantine's dad even though I responded on the one on Jacque de Savoye's parents

Mathieu de Savoie (Jacques father), husband of Lusette BARBIEUR see link:

https://gw.geneanet.org/dardhen?lang=en&amp;p=mathieu&amp;n=de+savoie

Jeanne van der Zee (Married to Jacque de Savoie) was also known as Jeanne de La Mer
see link:
https://gw.geneanet.org/dardhen?lang=en&amp;p=jeanne&amp;n=van+der+...

Who was the mother and father of Julien de Savoye wh was married to Jeanne DUREAU OU DURIEU
https://gw.geneanet.org/dardhen?lang=en&amp;p=julien&amp;n=de+savoie

The are the parents of Jacques de Savoye who came to South Africa husband of Christine Madelaine du Pont
https://gw.geneanet.org/dardhen?lang=en&amp;p=jacques&amp;n=de+savo...

That's someone's family tree, but I can't see his sources - am I just not looking carefully enough (possible).

I have send Henri and e-mail requesting help with the resources already :) I awaits his response

:-)

Good morning guys!

I have received feedback from Henry and he informed me that his information originates from the French departmental civil-state, the work of other geneanauts and Wikipedia. He unfortunately did not provide any source links for me to check out.

Michiel de Savoie from this geneanet Henry Dardenne tree was b. ca 1475 died 1505 at chateau de HAM Picardie. This is the place where Jacques de Savoie Comte de Romont also died at 36 years in 1486.
Michiel was probably an illigitimate child. Since Marie de Luxembourg the wife of Jacques in 1484 was born in 1462( and was also his niece by the way ).They had one daughter : Françoise Louise b 1485 + 1511 married to Henri II Comte de Nassau et Vianne b 1483 + 1538

It is also mentioned that Claude de Savoie married Catherine de Bellevaux

Mathieu de Savoie was" échevin " in Chievres from 1547 to 1557 near ATH .
Lusette Barbieur was b in ATH in 1558. ATH is in french part of Belgium in Henegauw ( Hainaut) some 50 miles from Lille/France.

Mahieu was married first to Marie Ghosselin, by whom he had two daughters, then, having been left a widower, he married Lusette Barbieur, by whom he had two sons: Andre (from whom descends the present de Savoye family, ennobled in Belgium in 1910) and Jacques, husband to Jeanne de Suslamer. It has been stated that the Cape settler Jacques de Savoye was the son of Jacques de Savoye and Jeanne de Suslamer. Certainly a relationship seems possible and it could be that a man born in 1636 might be the grandson of one who held civic office in the 1540s and 1550s, but it seems more likely that there is at least one intervening generation unaccounted for.

The earliest record of the Cape settler traced is of the marriage at St Julien d'Ath on 4 July 1657 of 'Jacobus Savoye' and 'Christina Du Pont' before the witnesses 'Juliano Savoye', 'Benedicto Du Pont' and 'Francisco La Haye'. Also recorded at St Julien d'Ath are the baptisms of the couple's two eldest daughters, Catherine on 29 September 1663 and Jeanne Julienne on 13 July 1665. Precisely when Jacques and his family left Ath is not known, although religion was probably the motivating factor. On 24 March 1662, prior to the baptism of his eldest child at Ath, 'Jacque de Savoy' from ' Hainault' was registered as a burgher at Leiden, with one of his guarantors named as 'Benoit du Pon'.

Source: Huguenot Society of London., 1983

Link: https://books.google.co.za/books?id=WmgmAQAAIAAJ&amp;dq=savoye+susl...

Note: Jeanne de Suslamer was also known as Jeanne de la Mer

The unaccounted generation referred to in my previous post has been found namely, Julien de Savoye (x Jeanne Dureau). This closes the gap and solves the puzzle.

I am leaving this in the capable hands of Sharon, the curator of this family. I am at your disposal.

Regards,

Alex

:-) Private User, the link generation was found a long time ago, but this Huguenot Society entry is useful to connect
Mahieu de Savoye as the father. Thank you.
One day soon, hopefully, we'll get the primary sources that entry was based on, but in the meantime, it's a lot better than nothing.

Hi Sharon, any further luck with the tracing of the parents of Mahieu? The tip above from Hester Margaretha Van der Walt does not pan out as the link Jessica Christophe-Dymock posted in another chat does not corroborate this and hers looks like a reliable source. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAVOY.htm
Search for "JACQUES de Savoie (12 Nov 1450-Château de Ham 30 Jan 1486, bur Saint-Pol)."
He and his wife only had one child which was a girl and not Michiel de Savoie as quoted above.
Thanks
Jacques

No sources found but why bother just add a few xtra and wing it

Is it not about time that all these ancestors of SV/Prog or SM/Prog in South Africa without a valid source be disconnected?
Here I would loose quite a few ancestors but rather that than all these fictitious Ancestors .

So is Mahieu de Savoye really my 13th grt grandfather or just a guess ?

Marguerite de Savoye - both husband and her my 8th grt grandparents.