Pope Gregory X - Pope Gregory X (Theobaldo Visconti) parents ?

The father of Obizzo I di Milano is Autperto di Milano here: Foulques Autpertus di Milano

Please also merge Mathilde di Milano with the other Mathilde de Souabe (von Schwaben)

A remainder of the upper portion of the Geneva branch can be found with a merge of this Alesia Alasie de Genève to our Alesie (Alix) de Genève) : Alasie de Genève

... and thanks!

In cross-checking sources for Anastasia Pirovano, I have come accross 2 sources stating that Anastasia's parents are not known, but that she is reputed to be the NEICE of Uberto Pirovano, the Archbishop.
Please see http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MILAN.htm where it states
"TIBALDO Visconti (-beheaded Gallarate 1276).  The Annales Mediolanenses record that "Archiepiscopum Ottonem…Tibaldi nepotis sui" was beheaded "in Galerate" in 1276[55].  m ANASTASIA Pirovano, niece of Cardinal Uberto Pirovano Archbishop of Milan, daughter of --- (-1276, bur [Milan San Eustorgio]).  The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified"
Also mentioned here: http://fabpedigree.com/s045/f667321.htm
As it is now in GENI, the Cardinal Uberto shows as her grandfather. Can you please put him as her uncle? The cardinal is here : cardinal Uberto Pirovano, archbishop of Milan
Many thanks

Just tagging Anastasia Visconti
http://fabpedigree.com/s045/f667321.htm

Pls check the tree
cardinal Uberto Pirovano, archbishop of Milan

Good find... but with the sources I've found, it looks like Berte is a daghter og Andreotus. So if true , anastasia and berte were sisters, one marrying the GRANDFATHER the other the GRANDSON Visconti...
http://goodenough.com.au/family-tree/individual.php?pid=P7319&g...

No, I don't think we have the correct father of Anastasia Pirovano... he would have been 90 when she was born...

Can you please put andreotus PIROVAO Andreotus Pirovano as the father of Berta Pirovano
Thanks and remove Anastasia, put her to an N Pirovano, brother of the cardinal

Please review
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000055958018865

Also found this smart match https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LCXN-BMK/details?spouse=LJG4-3MM

Let me know

You asked
"Can you please put andreotus PIROVAO Andreotus Pirovano as the father of Bertha Visconti (Pirovano)"
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000057325498833

You also asked
"Thanks and remove Anastasia, put her to an N Pirovano, brother of the cardinal

Anastasia Visconti was born c.1230

If I put her as daughter of the brother of cardinal Uberto Pirovano, archbishop of Milan it would mean her father would have been born around 1148 making her year of birth wrong

What do you think?

Anastasia is often noted as being married c1248, her eldest son born in 1250. Her birth year can then be situated as before 1230 (some estimate 1228, or 1225, but we're close). Any father of hers would be born c1200 or up to c1210 I'd say at the most.
If Uberto is indeed her uncle, (birth est 1148), the two brothers would have been between 38 and 48 years apart, quite a stretch, I agree.
I suggest we therefore create anastasia's father as unknown, birth c1200-1210, possible brother of Uberto, b1148, Archbishop. I have no info concerning Uberto's father. If we had that, we could see if Uberto's father's age was consistent with him having had a son c1200èc1210. The possible uncle relationship could also be through a sister of Uberto, or even a brother- or sister-in-law. There is certainly room for doubt, though.

With some further researching, I find this source very interesting : http://gw.geneanet.org/richardclaude?lang=en&pz=genevieve+marce...
This shows Andreotus as the FATHER of Uberto II, Archbishop, as well as an "unknown" Priovano, father of an Uberto c1200, himself the father of Anastasia.
This Andreotus is also the reputed father of Berthe Pirovano.
I suggest we use this, with the usual "reserves"

the above makes Uberto the archbishop Anastasia's great uncle, more likely than uncle.

Anastasia's mother could possibly be N Casati : http://gw.geneanet.org/hommemarie?lang=en&p=x&n=casati c1200

https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003858547082

Marie and I had some discussions in Geni messages which I want to post here note the dates when we discussed it.

Angus Wood-Salomon
4/7/2017 at 3:54 PM
Oh Oh I am running into some problems in merging
Check this part of the tree
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000010571174159#60000000...

https://www.geni.com/people/Boniface-c-1020-de-Milan/60000000093050... and Gisela (Borri) di Milano

Sons are showing as
Azzo Marchese di Milano
and
https://www.geni.com/people/Eriprando-Visconti-c-1002-1037/60000000...

Eriprando b.c 1002 father b.c.1020

Marie Woodall Patureau
4/7/2017 at 4:54 PM
Yes, these are all "correct". Gisele di Milano was also noted as Gisela Borri di Milano in many sources. And yes, I confirm the 2 sons.

Marie Woodall Patureau
4/7/2017 at 4:56 PM
See this link here, for confirmation: http://gw.geneanet.org/canmat?n=borri&oc=&p=gisella

Marie Woodall Patureau
4/7/2017 at 5:23 PM
However, I do note that some show a Beatrice de Milan as having married the younger Eliprando, b1050 (Beatrice b1060).
And here, we have a Beatrice de Milan b1045, married to Eliprando, son of Bonifacio...

http://sarahcullen.net/family.php?famid=F03557

Further, Beatrice de Milan is shown to be the daughter of Azzo, son of Bonifacio, and brother of Eriprando. Hence the elder Eliprando would have been her uncle, and the younger, a cousin.

For out tree here, for the time being, I recommend we put 2 wives out, to each of the Eriprandos, with a note that they may have been one person, but we are not certain to which of the Eriprandos Beatrice was wed. Ok for you?

Marie Woodall Patureau
4/7/2017 at 5:29 PM
And the below not to be confused with a distinct, third Beatrice Visconti di Milano, grand-daughter of the elder Beatrice:
http://gw.geneanet.org/canmat?lang=en&iz=40680&p=beatrice&a...

Angus Wood-Salomon
4/7/2017 at 8:26 PM
Ok look at this and tell me if you see the same

F Gisella BORRI
Married to Bonifacio VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano-about 1065, Deceased about 1065

(Parents : M Obizzo VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano † & F Mathilde von Schwaben †)

with
M Eilprand VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano †ca 1101 married to Beatrice VISCONTI di Milano † with
-----------M Oddone I VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano 1087-1165 married to Luitgard ---------------STAMPA † with :

------------------F Béatrice VISCONTI di Milano †
------------------M Guido VISCONTI di Milano †

M Azzo VISCONTI di Milano † married to ? ? with
---------------F Beatrice VISCONTI di Milano † married to Eilprand VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte ------------------di Milano †ca 1101 with :
--------------------------M Oddone I VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano 1087-1165

The way I am seeing this is Eliprand and Azzo were brothers
Azzo had a daughter Beatrice VISCONTI di Milano who married his brother Eliprand

They had a son Oddone I VISCONTI di Milano, Visconte di Milano 1087-1165

This is how the tree looks
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000010571174159#60000000...
Now have to find the son Oddone I

gus Wood-Salomon
4/7/2017 at 8:28 PM
Ok I think I found him, check this
https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000009305003305?return=dupli...
>>after merge Eriprando Visconti <<

DO NOT MERGE Yet

arie Woodall Patureau
4/8/2017 at 5:19 AM
This is part of the inconsistecies we have, here, and also on other sites. There were likely several Eriprando Visconti, and these two here, while having the same approx birth and death dates, do not have the same parents!
We can merge these two persons, and then let stand the double parents, while noting thae uncertainties.
For the son Oddone I, I believe Oddone is simply an alternate spelling for Ottone and also Othon, etc.

arie Woodall Patureau
4/8/2017 at 5:21 AM
Or not merge them, avoid inconsistencies, just note that there are some differences.

Marie Woodall Patureau
4/8/2017 at 5:39 AM
Ottone I, husband of Luitgarde, is the one we want.
There was an Oddone c1206, not married, who was an archbishop.

Angus Wood-Salomon
4/8/2017 at 5:44 AM
""Ottone I, husband of Luitgarde, is the one we want.
There was an Oddone c1206, not married, who was an archbishop.::

Here he is
Ottone I, Visconte di Milano

https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003827940352

Angus Wood-Salomon
4/8/2017 at 5:56 AM
Let us compare the two parts of the tree with Ottone Visconti

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000010571876210?return=dupli...
>>https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003827940352?highligh... <<

https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000010571868225
and
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003827940352