van Friesland branches

> All I want to do is connect the Galama and van Friesland families like hundreds of sites have already done for many years. Only on Geni is it not showing that way because you want proof.

Dorothy, this is the core of the problem you are having. You are "new" and "inexperienced" because you don't understand that Geni is not like the hundreds of other sites.

Geni strives for a fact-based tree.

You are welcome to add quality and sources information inside the profiles but you cannot link real people to each other without proof, and you cannot link real people to fake ancestors.

I am NOT trying to linkany profiles directly to real people Justin. Please read. I do have PROOF the Ygo I Galama is in fact the same person as Beroaldus, 533-590 or what ever his profile on Geni now says. In order to link the two as one in the same person , I have to link them as fictitious profiles right? That branch does eventually link up to real people but much further down the tree of the Galama branch.

NO I can not prove that https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000029983392796 born 780 was even a real person .He too is fictitious as was his son Gale Ygos Galama
and his son whom we know for a factt was fictitious Igo II Gales Galama, 5th potestaat of Friesland

as for the Van Friesland branches... the Netherland Wikipedia sites have linked certain profiles that have now been disconnected as being real Kings.

I doubt the connection that I had back in 2014 was a daughter of Radbod I now .... I think it was the Galama 's them selves that were the descendants of Ygo I Galama aka Beroaldus, going by what this site says http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Lord-Ygo-III-of-Galama the same is said on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igo_Galama

""Sometimes, the name of Igo is written as Ygo II Galama, to avoid confusion with Ygo I Galama who would have been the Frisian king Beroald (540-597), and according to the stories won a victory over Dagobert (born 603), the son of the Merovingian king Chlothar II (ruled 613 - 629)."""

At this moment I cant find the profile of Beroaldus, but its here on geni .. its spelt a bit differently though.

Leave the profile of Radbod I out of this .... It's the Galama branch I want corrected for now.

Later I will add all the sources and information inside the profiles of all the van Friesland profiles if it's not already there. The Netherland Wikipedia sites say different than the English.

I do wish we can be on the same page here.

The Dutch Wikipedia article for Igo Galema says there are no sources or proof for his historicity. ("Over zijn waarachtige historiciteit bestaan geen bronnen of bewijzen.")

It cites "Groot algemeen historisch genealogisch en oordeelkundig woordenboek uit 1733" for his legend.

It does not identify him with Beroaldus. Instead, it says he is sometimes called Ygo II Galama to distinguish him from Ygo I Galama, who would have been a captain of Beroaldus. ("Soms wordt de naam van Igo geschreven als Ygo II Galama, om verwarring te voorkomen met Ygo Galama, of Ygo I Galama, die veldoverste zou zijn geweest van de Friese koning Beroald (540-597)")

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igo_Galema

The article in English Wikipedia is a bit different, but it cites the same source and it seems to be based on the Dutch article. The English article is a very poor rendering of the Dutch. It doesn't even give the name of the 1733 book on which this information is based.

You already have an extensive line of mythical Galamas that someone will have to fix at some point.

My question then is who was Ygo I Galama real or fictitious ?

I looked at the Dutch site you've provided https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https:/...

it does say at the bottom

""'Sometimes the name of Igo written as ygo Galama II, to avoid confusion with YGO Galama or ygo I Galama, which would have been chief captain of the Frisian king Beroald (540-597), and a victory of the stories achieved by the (born in 603) Dagobert , son of the Merovingian king Chlothar II ( 613 - 629 ). """

open up Dagobert's link in English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagobert_I

on the Dutch site
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=...

Both say he was a real person... so now I am really confused. How can a fictitious person be a captain of a real person?

There is something not right here. Why cant I find any information on Ygo I Galama? . Only what's written on these wiki pages is there a reference to him but nowhere else. unless he's this Beroald Beroaldus, King of Friesland (Fictitious)

BTW it wasn't just me that added all those profiles. Many have merged with them myself included.

If you feel it's best to get rid of the Galama line then so be it ... I just want to figure out who was Ygo I Galama. it's bugging me now LOL

And if that were the case that Beroaldus, King of Friesland (Fictitious) was father of Aldgisl as you've posted in the About area ,can we discuss what to do with Aldgisl profile then?

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Lord-Ygo-III-of-Galama yet another Galama member of the family that cant be explained.

before you delete the Galama line read this http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Galama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ygo_Gales_Galama

Ancestry of Ygo Gales Galama
Direct descendant of Ygo II Galama (died 910) fifth Potestate of Friesland.
Great grandson of Haring Harinxma (Haring Donia) (abt. 1323–1403), Potestate of Friesland in 1398.
First cousin 3 times removed of Pier Gerlofs Donia (abt 1480–1520), Frisian freedom fighter and leader of the infamous Arumer Black Heap.[2]
Direct descendant of Ige Galama (also known as Ygo Joukes Galama, see Frisian Crusaders) died in 1099 during the first crusade and buried in Antioch,[5] see Siege of Antioch.

I would hate for these branches to be disconnected from the other Galama profiles

> How can a fictitious person be a captain of a real person?

This is a standard feature of medieval stories. Two or three generations before the earliest known ancestor was another (fictitious) ancestor who served a famous (and maybe also fictitious) king. He does brave and noble things. Maybe he marries a princess. And now, forever, his descendants are a famous family.

If you read many modern novels, you know how this goes. It's a formula. You know how the novel will end after reading the first few pages.

Medieval knights love these stories. It's how they wanted their lives to turn out.

What makes Wikipedia hard to understand is the conditional tenses of the verbs. A clearer way to say the same thing would be "According to the old story, Ygo I Galama was a captain serving under [king] Beroaldus."

If you are a fan of medieval literature, you can guess the point of the story without being told -- "Even before the famous king Radbod, the Galama family were officials of the kings, so they are very ancient and their power is legitimate."

It's political propaganda.

ok

I came across this book today about the van Friesland Branches so I'd thought I'd share it. https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://...

Radbouds Frisian descendants

The following family tree is gathered from different sources and processed bit by the principles that are also used in this collection of articles. The big problem is to get it all to hang together with biological and physical realism, so people do not live too long, and so their children are born at appropriate times in the lives of parents etc. Also call rules, like voice.

The list is in the final lap adjusted on the basis of information in Biographisch Woorderboek der Nederlanden (1852 ff). This secondary source is not assessed as completely reliable.

- Aldgisl 1 fo625, d. 679

King of Friesland

1. Radboud / Redbad 1 fo655, d. 719

King of Friesland 690-719

11. Theudesinde fo682

GM (697) Grimoald 2 (son of Pepin 2)

111. Arnulf fo700

12. Aldgisl 2 fo685

the king of Friesland 734-741

121. Gondebold fo718, d. 748

the king / count of Friesland 741-748

122. Radboud 2 fo720, d. 760

the king / count of Friesland 749-760

122.1. Aldgisl 3 fo742, d. 777

the king / count of Friesland 760-777

GM daughter of Harald Wartooth

122.11. Radboud 3 fo765, d. 809

(fled to Denmark o.785)

122,111. NN ♀ fo790

g. m. Waldger 1 (von Corvey) fo775, do829

(grandson of Charles Martel)

122111.1. Radboud 4 fo805

122,111.11. Waldger 2 fo830

122,111,111. Radboud 5 fo850, d. 874

GM daughter of Dirk van Rijnland 2

122,111,111.1. Waldger 3 fo872, d. 936

122,111,111.11. Radboud fo910

122,111.12. Gunther fo835

bishop

122,111.13. Waldrada fo840

GM (862) 2 Lothar von Lothringen

122,111,131. Gisela fo864

GM (882) Godfred "Normann Eren" d. 885

122.12. Sindacilla fo770

GM Wigbert von West Saxony fo770, d. 825

122.2. MM ♀ fo745

GM Sigurd (Ring) / Sigifrid of Denmark

123. Conovella / Cronovella fo727

GM Adelbicus van nobility

2. XX fo657

he is just an intermediary

21. root dip / Poppo fo680, d. 736

King of Friesland 719-734

211. Alfbad / Abba fo725, d. 786

Count of Friesland 777-786

211.1. Nordalah fo 760, d. 806

Count of Friesland 786-806

To book's start

© Peter Lawaetz, version March 2011

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