Please do NOT merge unsourced duplicates into the MEDIEVAL tree

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then a match on the son, but then HIS son (the grandson) only has some matching info.
https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000000278093569?return=match...

There is only 1 kid and no spouse, so maybe a good place to double check.

The duplicate new profile for the son might be a good place to start, because he doesn't have a wife, and only 1 daughter, Elizabeth (and the in-laws seem to start appearing starting with her and then to the present). And this new profile's daughter (Elizabeth) is married to a Thomas Merriman and had children, but the Elizabeth daughter in the main Geni tree connected to the father married a Thomas Morgan and had children at the same time.

Sir James Whitney

SCANDALOUS if true!!!

Sir James Whitney

PLZ need a (C) urgently that teaches to the new user
Private User
how to operate in the Middle Ages..

as per the previous page, just finished tidying up as per the wikipedia tidying up scheme:
-https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_de_Tournebu
Now he mix it all up again.
https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=85820224760
but without writing anything, yet

info about of: Jean II de Tournebu, seigneur de La Motte-Grimbosq XIII century
reported wiki scheme of 3 jean, of 3 generations in a row (he in bold, his father, and his son)
put surnames back in capital letters, and put the date of the child.

User changes? put surnames back in CAPITAL LETTERS, and put the date of the child..
Wrote something to explain in the info about? NO (and what do you have to explain if you write with the CAPS LOCK?)

Livio Scremin Just love you, and I´m not even gay! Geni need more of you, never give up!

:* I don't know @Ulf, maybe I should have stopped working until I untangled the merge on the Medlands.
But now I see that a (C) is re-re-working on it: Special thanks, I'll gladly pass on the French "baton".

If the new user is following an old book, it could be that in the meantime other modern more in-depth studies have created a broader pattern.
(it happened to me with the Roman Orsini family)

in fact I had seen several more sources cited at the foot of the page:
-https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_de_Tournebu#Notes_et_r%C3%A9f...
Wikipedia is often not perfect, but it is a good base.

and nothing to do, sorry Mike Stangel
that even after your fair invitation to respect the perfectly documented work of others:

there is no way to keep away PRO Craig Andrew Miles
to make small irritating changes on my profiles, perfectly as per ML primary sources.
example just now: 2022 .... Tornikes XI century
--> writes nothing, adds nothing, discusses nothing.. only notification of change with his face to be monitored..
day or night, every week, for months.. and never never ever added, written, contributed anything interesting never ever.

asked him to stop privately handfuls of times, nothing.
asked here tell him to stop, nothing.
raised your tone.. you intervened to clean up just the last page.
Today, now, again notification of change with his face, still nothing relevant.

I assume you mean this change: https://www.geni.com/revisions/history/profile-34788860969?a=compar... but it is not about merging duplicates. Rather, you disagreed over whether the unknown first name should be "..." or "NN".

As soneone who taught databases to undergrads :), I'd prefer to see "unknown" checkboxes for name fields.

Dimitri Vulis - I use unknown for English language profiles. The issue here is that the profile is “international.”

There are several “”language independent / genealogy accepted” solutions.

[-?-]
- - -
____

N.N.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio

Nomen nescio (pronounced [%CB%88no%CB%90m%C9%9Bn ˈnɛskɪ.oː]), abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or unnamed person. From Latin nomen – "name", and nescio – "I do not know", it literally means "I do not know the name".[1]
On Geni, we have tended to use N.N. Punctuation is hard to see and can be misunderstood. Even a ? may convey “I don’t know, but someone else may know.”

However, apparently in Italy, the acronym N.N. is also used on records for babies born out of wedlock. Which of course we do not know is the case for most of our “anonymous” profiles. So, Livio writes his profiles as which is source based, with citation included in profile.

So until we can get geni to build in (no name known) tickable checkboxes, I think manager choice is fine.

Also see

https://www.geni.com/projects/Geni-naming-conventions/1357

Thank you Erica Howton! Very educational for me.

I use {unknown} rather than NN

  • the {} shows that the values are not real - other systems use [] but Geni has issues with that
  • unknown - is translatable
  • NN can be confused with someone with the initials N N

The older conventions seen include

U - unknown
FNU - first name unknown
LNU - last name unknown
MNU - maiden name unknown

But we sought an international, non jargon approach. Luckily, last name is not a mandatory field, but first name is. So I have edited out lots of unnecessary NNs from last name field,

Thank you all for your attention and support.

Yes, the 4 dots "...." are an immediate international graphic form, which does not require translation or explanation, I believe that all of all, wherever we live in life, have at least once had to write something above the dotted line on a sheet of paper pre-compiled.

it is something that should be accessible to everyone everywhere, which does not require the harmful study of the acronyms rightly reported above by Erica.
even more so if it is the same form as the source (yes, I noticed that ML uses the 3 dashes "---" and "N" with a certain nuance in different nuances which I won't discuss here)

........................
I briefly add to use the single question mark "?" very sparingly:
tends to give, and serves to give a sense of uncertainty to the entire profile, not just the unknown field.

Here I cannot verbalize my exclamation the first time that in the old territory of the Eastern Empire I resolved abandoned merge conflicts example as:
*неизвестен
*të panjohura

or :
*անհայտ
*άγνωστος

doesn't it match? :D

Currently, if a profile is private (and the user is not a curator) then Geni displays rhe first name as <private> in the user's chosen language. IF Geni added an "Unknown" checkbox for the given name (and some other name fields), and if that were checked, then likewise Geni could display <Unknown> in the user's chosen language. Perhaps even add a preference setting "Display unknown as ....".

no, it's not necessary:

if you leave it blank, Geni already writes something like "no name" in the respective display languages ​​chosen by the user.

the same for private as you say (even if in the Middle Ages there could never be any reason to meet private profiles: if not a sign of inaccuracy of the admin:)

This case comes to mind:
the wife of the historic VIP, called with the feminized surname of her husband, but in fact we do not know either her name or her birth surname..
..the dots on those two fields will be perfect, otherwise what would you display?
unknown unknown? :)

bha I don't know what to say,
I find everything perfect as it is.
And I see that even before me, everyone has adapted perfectly to composing an excellent tree from all over the world.
Improvement is always around the corner, but perhaps it's just a matter of adapting to learning the instrument and understanding its limits.

..this whole new craze for automatic suggestions, and automatic compositions, and automatic fields.. bha I don't understand it, and I don't see it bringing anything good ^^'

I'll pass and close because I feel like I'm monopolizing the forum >.<

From my merge center today (June 11):
John Kent (old) vs Sir John Kent (Oct. 2023)
His father - https://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000008184210866&src=profile&cmp=btn (John Kent)
Note - The wives of the father and son are different in the new tree.

Hello - Please see this apparent dupe of two unsourced medieval profiles:https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000096208946776?return=match...

@ Jenn yes nice suggest of 2 profiles mergible,
to bring together in the generation below, 2 lines of two brothers.

(this apparently from the data, since none of the administrators of either side bothered to leave any source or trace anywhere, :)
Hertfordshire, England area [to anyone interested:]

I see that (C) has been worked on Richard Haynes, of Reading, Gent.

maybe you throw her skirt by tagging the profile:)

[talking about: ttps://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000096208946776?return=match%3B&amp;... ]

From today's (June 12) merge center:
https://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000004571348816&src=profile&cmp=btn (Sir Thomas de Clifford, 8th Baron Clifford) The other side was added June 12.
Cut point - https://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000112258615887&src=profile&cmp=btn. The new profile adds the husband and a child.

https://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=4067377572350024046&src=profile&cmp=btn (Joanna Latimer vs Mary Bond both MP)
Can someone please remove the match? I've tried several times and not done.

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Elise Tresel
Has 2 husbands with the same name

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