Godehilde de Ponthieu - WHich Parents????? or None ???

if father is unknown then he should be disconnected or no parents should be listed

If several people have a provfile in their tree and the parents do not agree we, as curators can, either cut the profile loose from these parents and then hope that it eventually gets linked in to the correct parents OR we can leave the profile connected to the various parents and hope that one of the managers will have more information and hopefully even good sources to resolve the conflict. In some areas there is so much complication that it would just be unreasonable to do this but here it doesn't seem to be causing a tangle. I can cut the parents free if you relly think I should but with the note I think it makes clear the situation.

I'm not sure if this will help but I found this on line.

http://washington.ancestryregister.com/PONTHIEU100006.htm#i5966

It gives information back to the first generation.

Looking at some of the profiles, I see that the link I gave seems to go back some what futher. I also noticed that some of the parents are born after the children. According to the link it looks like the whole line many need revamping.

http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=fr&p=godehilde&n=du+maine
same info as Madame Pamela

Godehilde du MAINE
Imprimer son arbre

Baptisée vers 932

Parents

Hugues Ier,comte du MAINE, Comte du Maine 891-939..955
Bilihildis du MAINE

Union(s), enfant(s), les petits enfants et les arrière-petits-enfants

Mariée avec Yves,comte l'Ancien de BELLÊME de BELLÊME, Comte de Bellême et d'Alençon (948), né vers 922, décédé en 997 à l’âge de peut-être 75 ans, Comte de Bellême et d'Alençon en 948,maître des arbalétiers de Louis IV d'Outremer (Parents : H Fulcuin de BELLÊME ca 900-/940 & F Rothaïs

once again medlands are not a reliable sourcing its only a translation of the more documented french..so a good advice is to take real source not to be translated

The Washington Ancestry Register (ancestors of George Washington) is in English.

This link (eight generation) shows that she was born in 0940 to Guillaume I DE PONTHIEU Comte de Ponthieu was born Abt 0914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died of Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and Maude de Boulogne. Had one sibling, did marry Yves DE BELLEME Seigneur de Creil and Belleme . Together they had three children.

I realize that actual documentation back to the 700's is almost impossible to authenticate . I also realize though that this link is copy written as is likely to be as close as possible and is stated as part of Washington's ancestry.

:) Pamela
I realize that actual documentation back to the 700's is almost impossible to authenticate .
we are all trying to get acuracy from what we got
on geneanet she listed baptised in 32 about
and here on that site
http://genealogiequebec.info/testphp/info.php?no=170487

she born in 938

but the discution is about Parents and they are know on both site and yours

http://washington.ancestryregister.com/PONTHIEU100006.htm#i5966

lets work to repair and add the good parents
martin

Godehilde
need to merge with
Godehilde profile discution
thank you
martin

MedLands makes a good guess here, but it is just a guess:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Tours.htm#GodehildisMIves

It cites original document(s), which are in Latin (not French!)

washington.ancestryregister is just a vanity site. No sources.

My recommendation is to cut her parents.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p220.htm#i24883

Godehilde du Maine
b. circa 924
Father Hugues I du Maine, vicomte du Mans b. circa 891, d. 939
Charts Descendants of Charlemage
Also called Godehilde.1 Godehilde du Maine was born circa 924. She was the daughter of Hugues I du Maine, vicomte du Mans. Godehilde du Maine married Ives I, seigneur de Château de Bellême, son of Fulcuin de Creil.1
Family
Ives I, seigneur de Château de Bellême b. circa 922, d. 993
Children

Guillaume I, comte d'Alençon+ b. c 954, d. 10281
Godehilde de Bellême b. c 9652
Ives de Bellême+ b. c 970, d. c 10702
Hildeburge de Bellême+ b. 975, d. 10242

Citations

[S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed., III:283.
[S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed., III:284.

Please do not use Père Anselme as a source. He is a compiler who lived 700 years after Godehilde. He is like Dugdale for English families. The broad outline is usually (not always!) correct but there are many mistakes and he is often wrong about the details.

In this case Anselme is even more unsuitable because he doesn't say what this source implies. He doesn't identify Godehilde's parents. He says only the same thing as MedLands --

Femme, Godehilde, ainsi nommée dans le titre qui contient la fondation de la chapelle de Bellême. Il y est aussi fait mention de ses fils sans nommer.

(Wife, Godehilde, named in the instrument that contains the foundation of the chapel of Belleme. There is also mention of her unnamed son.)

https://books.google.com/books?id=hLJkUmSxLgkC&pg=PA255&dq=...

another french lineage frogoten and now destroy probably in next decade all of Godehilde de Ponthieu maine and husban will be in fictional

Another solution to this - but I did not see it done

is to have pasted the brief synopsis bio at of the profile (name, birth death, parents and spouses) of each down into the about me section - explain that they have been broken off and why and on then name provide a link back to the father(s)/mother(s) profiles for a quick reference and if found to be the parents and documented a quick reference tool to re-connection to the tree

Thus the reference to a set of parents is not totally destroyed :-)

I have used this method in several of my profiles when I disconnect parents - or even when there is confusion and mistaken identity between 2 profiles - me myself find this a very useful tool.

That's something I like to do when there is genuine doubt -- explain the options. Here, the curator note and the info from MedLands provide the necessary information.

The information is not lost. It's still there in the revision history, and this discussion documents what happened.

The profile is not locked. Anyone can add info about the spurious parents to the bio if they think it's important.

http://www.histoireeurope.fr/RechercheLocution.php?Locutions=Godehi...=

another one that say
fillle de Hugues Ier du Maine, Vicomte de Maine, et de Nbilihildis du Maine

Better if you look for actual sources.

Here is a nicely sourced outline for Godehilde from Stewart Baldwin at The Henry Project:
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/godeh001.htm

There's a very interesting point here. The idea Godehilde's father was Henri of Maine was a theory put forward by English expert Katherine Keats-Rohan with no evidence, and was later rejected by her.

Notice The Henry Project also disagrees with Geni about the ancestry of Yves de Creil, seigneur de Bellême.

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/yves0000.htm

Geni has his parents as Fulcoin de Creil and Rothais de Corbonais, which Baldwin says is an error avoided by most of the standard sources occasionally found in internet genealogies.

Geni has copied from MedLands, but a quick check of MedLands shows it either did not make this mistake or has since corrected it:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc384196770