Bethoc Gillesdatter, fra Irland - Is she correct linked when she is shown married to King Magnus 3?

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Åsa Teresia Elisabet Alderlöf said Yesterday at 9:40 PM about Förvaltare för Beathach* / Bjadok / Biadak Bertoc Gille,

Jag kontaktar dig om den här profilen: https://www.geni.com/people/Beathach-Bjadok-Biadak-Gille/6000000003...

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Åsa Teresia Elisabet Alderlöf
Harald can not be married to his own mother for heaven sake. some one else biadak. bye

Beathach* / Bjadok / Biadak Bertoc MacGillebride Gille

David Widerberg Howden
Today at 4:30 AM
It seems like someone thought that Øystein Haraldssons mother Bjaðök (Bjadok) is the same as his father Harald Gilles mother Bethoc Gillesdatter, which they are not! Bjadok is not daughter of Gille Adomnan, her parents are unknown, but Bethoc was..

First I'm going to try and undo the 2016 merge. Maybe it is a simple as that :-)

No, that produces a Bláthóc / Bjaðǫk - the same person as his wife.
REmerging.

Harald was married to Ingrid Ragnvaldsdotter, daughter of Ragnvald Ingesson, the son and heir of Inge the Elder. Harald had a son, Inge I of Norway, with her.

According to the sagas, Harald had previously been married to Bjaðǫk, mother of his son, Eystein II of Norway.

Among Harald's concubines was Tora Guttorm, the daughter of Guttorm Gråbarde, who was the mother of Sigurd II of Norway.

He also had a son, Magnus Haraldsson of Norway, who died in 1145 at 10 years of age. All four sons were kings of Norway.[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Gille

cf Harald IV Magnusson Gille, king of Norway

Eystein was born, apparently in Scotland, the son of Harald Gille, who was king of Norway from 1130 to 1136, and a woman named Bjaðǫk. Harald was born and raised in Ireland or Scotland, and Eystein was born there. When Harald went to Norway in 1127 to press his claim to royal inheritance, Eystein did not go with him. However, Harald let it be known that he had fathered a son before coming to Norway.
cf King Eysteinn Haraldsson, II of Norway

Bjaðǫk was a twelfth-century woman purported to have been the mother of Eysteinn Haraldsson, King of Norway.[note 1] In the first half of the twelfth century, Eysteinn was brought to Norway and claimed to be the son of his royal predecessor, Haraldr gilli, King of Norway. The latter was himself the son of a Gaelic woman, and claimed to be the son of an earlier king. The claims of Bjaðǫk and Eysteinn were accepted, and the latter went on to rule as king for fifteen years. Bjaðǫk's name could to be an Old Norse form of a Gaelic name, and she may well have been a member of a prominent family. According to modern tradition, Haraldr gilli's wife was an aunt of Somairle mac Gilla Brigte, King of the Isles, although whether this tradition is authentic is uncertain.....

Eysteinn Haraldsson (died 1157) was a son of Bjaðǫk and Haraldr gilli, King of Norway (died 1136).[8] Following Haraldr gilli's death, two of his sons, Sigurðr munnr (died 1155) and Ingi (died 1161), jointly ruled the Norwegian realm as kings.[9][note 2] According to Haraldssona saga within the thirteenth-century saga-compilation Heimskringla, in 1142 Eysteinn and Bjaðǫk were brought to Norway from west-over-sea by three prominent men of the realm: Árni sturla, Þorleifr Brynjólfsson, and Kolbeinn hrúga. Eysteinn was thence put forward as an adult son of Haraldr gilli who deserved a share of the kingdom. Once his claim was accepted, Eysteinn was recognised as king.[11] The thirteenth-century texts Fagrskinna[12] and Morkinskinna give similar accounts although these sources do not identify Bjaðǫk by name.[13] In fact, her name appears to correspond to either the Gaelic Blathach,[14] Bláthóc,[15] or Bethóc.[16]

Overseas sexual encounters between Norwegian royals and foreign women was evidently not an uncommon occurrence at the time. Certainly, the thirteenth-century Chronica of Roger de Hoveden (died 1201/1202) pointedly remarks upon the low-status of the mothers of Norwegian monarchs.[17] Such relationships offered young women an opportunity to produce a royal son, and thereby procure preferment for herself and her family.[18] Whether the women concerned actually pursued such schemes themselves is uncertain, and it is possible that they were instead selected by the kings themselves or proffered by their own families.[19] In any case, it is conceivable that Eysteinn and Bjaðǫk enjoyed the support of influential relatives who backed their claims. Despite his apparent Gaelic background, however, there is no hint of Eysteinn's interest in his homeland after his arrival in Scandinavia.[20] Eysteinn jointly ruled as king with his brothers until the end of his life.[8]....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bja%C3%B0%C7%ABk

cf Bláthóc / Bjaðǫk

Eysteinn's grandmother:
The story of how Eysteinn's father came to the kingship is similar to that of Eysteinn. At some point in the 1120s, Haraldr gilli arrived in Norway claiming to be a brother of the reigning king.[25] The tale of Haraldr gilli's accession is preserved in several sources. According to Magnússona saga, within Heimskringla, a Norwegian baron named Hallkell húkr voyaged from Norway to the Isles where he encountered Haraldr gilli and his mother. Named Gillikristr by the saga, Haraldr gilli told Hallkell húkr that he was a son Magnús berfættr, King of Norway (died 1103), and that another name of his was Haraldr.[26] In fact, Haraldr gilli's byname—gilli—is a shortened form of Gillikristr, an Old Norse form of the Gaelic personal name Gilla Críst.[27][note 3] According to Magnússona saga, Haraldr gilli was originally from Ireland, and both he and his mother were subsequently conveyed to Norway by Hallkell húkr...

According to a much later tradition, dated to turn of the twentieth century and perhaps as early as the late eighteenth century, the grandfather of Somairle mac Gilla Brigte, King of the Isles (died 1164), Gilla Adamnáin, had a daughter who married a Norwegian king—a king who seemingly corresponds to Haraldr gilli himself.[44] Although there is no way to confirm the claim itself, such a union is not implausible, and may correspond to the relationship between Bjaðǫk and Haraldr gilli.[45] Certainly, Somairle himself had a daughter named Bethóc.[46] Nevertheless, the notion of an affiliation with Somairle's family postdates the printing of Heimskringla, which could suggest that this source spawned ideas of a familial connection.[47]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bja%C3%B0%C7%ABk

cf Harald IV Magnusson Gille, king of Norway ;

So Blathach / Bláthóc / Bethóc becomes Bjaðǫk only once brought to Norway as the potential new King Eysteinn's mother.
The story is that his father was Harald (originally named Gilla Crist) - also born and bred in Ireland/Scotland.

Claims that she is connected to Gilla Adamnáin as his daughter and Somairle mac Gilla Brigte, King of the Isles (d 1164) (who himself had a daughter named Bethóc) as his Aunt are as modern as the late 18th Century - so, short of decent primary sources, although the naming is similar.

cf Gille Adomnan Siol-Cuinn

Removing Bethoc, of Ireland of Ireland as a partner of Harald IV Magnusson Gille, king of Norway

Thinking through problem her as mother of Eystein Magnusson...

Eystein was born in 1088 or 1089[1] as the first son of the future king Magnus Barefoot, born to an otherwise unknown mother who is only recorded to have been of "low birth". Upon the death of his father in 1103 during one of his campaigns in Ireland, Eystein became king together with his two brothers Olaf and Sigurd, all of whom had different mothers.[2] Sigurd was about a year younger than Eystein, while Olaf was more than ten years younger than him.[2] Sigurd was the only son who had accompanied their father Magnus on his campaign in the West, but he returned to Norway after Magnus' death.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eystein_I_of_Norway

so, removing him as son of Bethoc, of Ireland

Hope that is now sorted.

Hurrah!

Now can she get an Irish name?

Seems she definitely should :-)

thanks, we were then right then. thanks

you were :-)

thanks

Thank you Sharon, this is what I call real research, we need curators like you in Finland. We do not have many yet..

I love the compliments :-) Thank you.

Thank you for sharing. I learned so much.

why is she gone??? what are you doing ?????

She's not: Bethoc, of Ireland and Bláthóc / Bjaðǫk

i got a response that I was right, so what is this ?

http://historiska-personer.nu/min-s/p5b2e2480.html

I'm not following you. You were correct that the Bethocs were likely to have been different people.
Harald married Bláthóc / Bjaðǫk. His mother's name is unknown.

as far as I discussed was that harolds mother was bethoc gillesdotter nothing else. In other sources it is bethoc, the daughter of Gille adomnan, bye

Irländska-ätten Bethoc Gillesdotter
Frilla.

Född:
1070 Irland
Död:
Irland

Barn med *Hårdråde-ätten Magnus III barfot Olovsson Kung av Norge (1073 - 1103)

Förlovning:

Barn:
Hårdråde-ätten Kriströd Magnusson (~1100 - 1134)
*Hårdråde-ätten Harald IV gille Kung av Norge (~1103 - 1136)

Personhistoria
Årtal
Ålder
Händelse
1070

Födelse 1070 Irland.
1073

Partnern *Hårdråde-ätten Magnus III barfot Olovsson Kung av Norge föds 1073 Namur.
~1100

Sonen Hårdråde-ätten Kriströd Magnusson föds omkring 1100.
~1103

Sonen *Hårdråde-ätten Harald IV gille Kung av Norge föds omkring 1103 Irland.
1103

Partnern *Hårdråde-ätten Magnus III barfot Olovsson Kung av Norge dör 1103-08-24 Ulster/Belfast på Irland 1).
1134

Sonen Hårdråde-ätten Kriströd Magnusson dör 1134-08-09 Fyrileiv Baahuslen.
1136

Sonen *Hårdråde-ätten Harald IV gille Kung av Norge dör 1136-12-13 Bergen 2).

Källor
1)
Anders Behn, Kongahälla Sagor och Årtal, sidan 75

2)
Edv.Bull, Norsk biografisk leksikon, 1872, "Harald" 5:454

So, you're looking for primary sources to prove that the Harald who married Bláthóc / Bjaðǫk has a mother who was Bethoc of Ireland?