John de Lutegareshale - John de Lutegareshale married to Rohese de Vere? Any evidence?

Started by Terry Jackson (Switzer) on Tuesday, March 22, 2016
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3/22/2016 at 4:02 PM

Please see below passage from FMG Medlands which states that Rohese de Vere married 1. Geoffrey de Mandeville and 2. Payn de Beauchamp Lord of Bedford:

GEOFFREY de Mandeville, son of WILLIAM de Mandeville & his wife [Margaret de Rie] ([1100/05]-Mildenhall, Suffolk 14 or 16 Sep 1144, bur 1163 New Temple Church). The Genealogia Fundatoris of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names “Gaufridi filii comitis Essexiæ et iure matris Normanniæ dapifer” as son of “Willielmo de Mandavill” and his wife “Margareta”[699]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Gaufr de Manevilla" in Oxfordshire[700]. King Stephen created him Earl of Essex by charter at Westminster [Jun/Dec] 1140. He deserted the king after the battle of Lincoln in Feb 1141, and obtained another charter of the earldom of Essex from Empress Matilda in [Jun] 1141 which also appointed him hereditary Justice and Sheriff of London, Middlesex, Essex and Hertfordshire. He was charged with treason in [Oct] 1143, arrested at St Albans and forced to surrender his castles of Walden, Pleshey and the Tower. He then revolted, sacked Cambridge and besieged Burwell Castle, Cambridgeshire, in the course of which he was mortally wounded[701]. The History of the foundation of Walden abbey records the death “XVI Kal Oct 1144” of “Galfridus de Mandavilla…fundator noster”[702].
m as her first husband, ROHESE de Vere, daughter of AUBREY de Vere, Chamberlain of England & his wife Adelisa de Clare ([1105/10]-after 1166, bur Chicksand Priory). The History of the foundation of Walden abbey records that “Galfridus de Mandavilla…fundator noster” married “Rosam sororem Albredi de Oxenford”[703]. As her son by her first marriage, Arnulf de Mandeville, received a grant of property in [1141/42] (placing his birth to [1120/25]), it is likely that Rohese was one of her parents’ older children. “G de Magnavilla et Roeisa uxor eius” donated property to Hurley Priory, Berkshire by undated charter[704]. She married secondly Payn de Beauchamp Lord of Bedford, with whom she founded the priory of Chicksand where she was buried[705]. “Paganum et comitissam Roheis…sponsa mea” donated property to Thorney Monastery, by undated charter witnessed by “…Ivo Taillebois…”[706].

1/21/2019 at 12:51 PM

@So- at this point in time- we should consider John de Lutegareshale's wife to be unknown. It is not possible that he could have married Rohese de Vere and his son be married to the daughter of Rohese de Vere and Geoffrey de Mandeville.

1/21/2019 at 5:19 PM

If you look at the linked profile for John de Lutegershole, he is listed as m. to Rohese de Vere with a son, Piers de Lutegarshole.

Looking at this profile for Geoffrey de Mandeville (de Lutegarshole), 1st Earl of Essex gives Rohese de Vere as his wife & a son named Piers de Lutegarshole. (Geoffrey's About section, BTW, states that he had 4 sons, while his profile gives him 7 children - 2 of them daughters.)

Www.geni.com/people/Geoffrey-de-Mandeville-Earl-of-Essex/5224559590650101435

1/22/2019 at 8:14 AM

Yes. I saw that information. I don’t see any source that shows Rohese de Vere married to anyone other than Geoffrey de Mandeville and Payn de Beauchamp.

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