William Morgan - Help, Please, with the Morgans!

Started by Anne Brannen on Friday, March 18, 2016
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3/18/2016 at 6:31 AM

Over the course of a few years -- as you can see by the revisions in this profile -- there has been an edit war, and it would be great to get this ironed out.

There are a couple of sources listed here, in the Overview -- and if you walk up the line, you can see more.

I made one change last night (other than reverting his immediate ancestors' names to what they were before they got changed yesterday) -- that was to add in Morgan ap Llewelyn as the closed ancestor; before that it was Llewelyn ap Dafydd, which though supported by various webtrees made no sense.

On the other hand, I got the Morgan ap Llewelyn from here -- https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/ancestry-of-miles-mor... -- and though it holds, it's essentially another web tree, without given sources, though if it comes down to it, I gather we can contact Dr. Evans, the writer of the blog.

Burke's Peerage (Vol 3, p 256) gives a sketchy ancestry for this William Morgan, in which there is, alas, a jump in between William MOrgan and his ancestor Philip ap Morgan of Langston -- and no filling out of the line in between.

Any help on this? Anybody else interested in the puzzle?

Tagging Terry Jackson (Switzer) -- Erin Ishimoticha -- Private User -- Private User --

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3/18/2016 at 7:06 AM

Private User lets put out the flames shell we?

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3/18/2016 at 7:06 AM

i know you love Morganna aka morgan ap lelewen as much as i do

3/18/2016 at 7:31 AM

If his parents are unknown then the tree should reflect this... if you are on a quest to discover them then best of luck!

3/18/2016 at 7:55 AM

His parents may well be unknown but I'm not convinced yet. And there seem to be two separate lines of thought, one with English names and one with Welsh. And the English aren't a translation of the Welsh. I think we may have two different William Morgan's who have gotten conflated, even if not actually merged.

3/18/2016 at 8:36 AM

"At this time, you couldn't swing a dead cat in Wales without hitting a Morgan. (I tried recently and hit four.)"

3/18/2016 at 8:45 AM

I know. A site we all love.

3/18/2016 at 9:19 AM

Perhaps I should apologize to you all for opening this proverbial Morgan "Can of Worms" as I know you all have your hands full with many other projects. I was the one that made some "unethical" changes to some of the profiles Anne is referring to in her opening statement. I find my lineage from numerous directions heading towards this family. It is a tangled, repetitive names, numerous limbed, tree that with my limited knowledge, is way over what my capabilities are. I do appreciate each and every one of you and your dedication to this site.

3/18/2016 at 9:33 AM

Actually, though it's true, it's best not to change names in profiles -- sometimes they ARE in the wrong place, and need to get moved -- Nevertheless,

this can of worms has been breeding for some time now -- so it's good to have it brought to our attention.

And we will put the Welsh and English specialists on it and see what we can do!

I'm totally interested in it now. Maybe I'll take a break from tracking down the errant Hywel/Howel/Howell profiles.

3/18/2016 at 1:07 PM
6/11/2021 at 8:26 AM

This profile is listed as William Morgan and his son is listed as William Morgan I. Wouldn't this one be I and his son be II?

Thanks

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