Friedrich (Drumpf) Trump - Drumpf surname

Started by Mike Stangel on Monday, February 29, 2016
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2/29/2016 at 12:29 PM

Does anyone have a source for Drumpf? A spokesperson for Donald Trump claims this article refutes the name (search for "Drumpf"): http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article145558110/Donald-Trum...

2/29/2016 at 12:32 PM

This article states that Gwenda Blair’s book “The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire” says the family changed the name at some point during the Thirty Years’ War (1600s).

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/09/09/why-donald-trump-bette...

2/29/2016 at 12:35 PM

Need to look further, but it might have come from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump#cite_note-Germangrand...

2/29/2016 at 12:46 PM

Not a source by itself either.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HV2-MS6

2/29/2016 at 1:10 PM

I think it should be changed to Trumpf, Mike Stangel

2/29/2016 at 1:30 PM

Looks like its listed as Drumpf at familysearch.org too, but that could have been entered by anyone?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HV2-MS6 : accessed 2016-02-29), entry for Fredrich /Drumpf/.

2/29/2016 at 1:37 PM

It looks to me like Friedrich was christened Trump in Kallstadt Germany. So not sure why other papers even said Trumpf.???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCR1-KFD

2/29/2016 at 2:05 PM

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) that FamilySearch record is interesting -- the mother's name is the same, but father is listed as "Johann Ii Trump" rather than Christian.

2/29/2016 at 2:33 PM

I was trying to figure out that one, too. Could it have been that he was a Jr. and it was II?

2/29/2016 at 2:51 PM

So, Mike Stangel, what should we do? I was thinking change to Trump from Drumpf with Aka Trumpf for immigration record? And "About" could mention that the family is believed to be descended from Hans Drumpf?

3/1/2016 at 9:45 AM

Hi Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c), unless we have a primary source with "Drumpf" I'd leave that off these more recent profiles. I think the Hans note is fine, since we don't have that line built out. Not sure about Trumpf -- use your judgement. Thanks for looking into this!

3/1/2016 at 10:29 AM

According to a snippet view on Geni, Trump himself wrote "She even traced our lineage back to 1608, when a German lawyer named Hanns Drumpf settled in the town of Kallstadt, forty miles west of the Rhine River. According to Blair, one of my ancestors, a winegrower, changed the family name to ..." (Think Like a Billionaire - Page xiii).

He is obviously citing the work of Gwenda Blair:
https://books.google.com/books?id=PmrwtRTQ3fMC&pg=PA26&dq=d...

I wasn't able to find Hanns Drumpf on a quick search, but it appears the name was spelled Trump almost uniformly during the 1700s and 1800s. There are a couple of times it is spelled Trumpf (and of course Trumpin, a feminine form, for some women).

3/1/2016 at 8:33 PM

Done, Mike Stangel

This might explain some of the confusion.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/

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