Amsoeboe van Timor, SV/PROG - Baauw

Thanks Sharon, yes I do believe Ansela van die Kaap was born at the Cape and is NOT Baauw from Timor as per the article Pai Timor.

:-)

.Private User says ..it is factually incorrect for the profile of this Ansela van Angola to be listed as the wife of Campher: it distorts all the genealogy and the DNA links.
cfAnsela van de Caap, SM/PROG

This is the entry on the mtDNA project: https://www.geni.com/projects/South-African-mtDNA-Female-Progenitor...

*Ansela van de Caap Predicted Haplogroup L0a1b2
mtDNA Descendants on Geni:

Anna van der Swaan [confirmed by triangulation of: Petrie Coetzee & Joan Podesta Austen's genetic tests]
Petrie Coetzee [confirmed L0a1b2 by genetic test]
Loulette Laubscher
Joan Podesta Austen [confirmed L0a1b by genetic test]
Sterna Roux Schreuder
Discussions

http://www.geni.com/discussions/110763?msg=938682
http://www.geni.com/discussions/151688?msg=1057985

I haven't researched here in a while, so we need Gary to tell us more about what he's thinking, once he's read the Discussions.

The mtDNA descendants of the woman who gave birth to Anna van der Swaan have African not Asian mtDNA, so unless you can prove that Willem 'Namaqua' van Wijk Ariesz did not share a mother with Anna, then you can rule out the van Timors as grandparents, I think.
This was found after Mansell's article, and I think the FFYP updated their genealogy accordingly.

As posted in https://www.geni.com/threads/6000000078107252297

Ansela van de Caap who married Lourensz Campher was the daughter of a slave from east Africa, and she and her 3 children appear in the Slave Lodge Census prior to her manumission, marriage to Lourens and life in Stellenbosch.

Her descendants are haplogroup L0a1b2 - in line with an East Afican origin.

I set out the facts as clearly as I could in her profile. She has nothing to do with Baauw van Timor and also is not the Drakenstein Ansela/Angela who was recorded with Hans Silberbach and one child.

It is irrelevant who commissioned the original research on Ansela van de Caap, it was done by a reputable historian Helena Sheffler and although she did romantisize the story somewhat, she did identify the correct Ansela.

My compilation of the facts was peer reviewed by several reputable researchers including Corney Keller and Rassie Rascher. I do believe the correct Ansela has been identified.

Apology guys, I accidentally wrote east-Africa above. It should of course be" L0a1b2 - in line with an WEST Afican origin!

Sharon, please link "Willem 'Namaqua' van Wijk Ariesz" in this discussion.

Willem 'Namaqua' van Wijk Ariesz :-)

I see there are now TWO Lorenz Campher profiles on Geni.?? One must be wrong?

Can you post the link to the extra one?

Lorenz Campher - Lorenz Campher SV/PROG
Is he the one you want?

Something has gone wrong here after Sharon Lee DOUBELL's earlier corrections: Amsoeboe van Timor father of Baauw, needs to be disconnected from Lorenz Campher.

Gary I've deleted it, lest merging brings other tangles. Can you 'Request Management' on the original?

Sharon, are you asking I "Request Management" on the correct Lorenz Campher profile -- it seems good?

Lorenz Campher, SV/PROG is the original?

I believe this is the correct Lorenz Campher profile, thanks Sharon.