Pieter Christiaan Andries Weijdeman (Weidemann), SV/PROG - Error - duplicate - Henricus Jacobus Weidemann, a1b6 and Henricus Jacobus Wydeman

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There seems to be a problem here. This tree has Henricus Jacobus Wydeman and Sarah Jacoba Vlotman as the PARENTS of the Stamvader Pieter Weijdean (also known as Wydeman, and given on the tree as (Weidemann). In fact, Henricus (or Hendrik) was Pieter's SON. He was baptised 1766. He appears on the tree as Henricus Jacobus Weidemann, a1b6 He married Sara Jacoba Vlotman.

I think the link to the speculative parents should be removed.

Also, the link to a speculative grandfather is tenuous at best. Does anyone have any 'proof' or reference for a connection between Pieter Wydeman and Fredricus Augusti Wideman? Or is this just a mistake, perhaps caused by a merging of trees, ot is it just a leap of faith with no basis?

I'd appreciate it if anyone could clarify these 2 concerns, and fix the errors, before they become spurious "fact" and perpetrated further!

Thanks.
@Henricus Jacobus Wydeman

Correction - typo - spelling of name in second sentence - should of course be Weijdeman - not Weijdean!

Donald Stewart Neille can you give us the Sources you used to add: Wydeman & Sarah Jacoba Wydeman in the position of Pieter Andries Christiaan Wijdeman, SV/PROG's parents?

Do you think it's possible that this is actually his son -Hendricus Jacobus Weideman and his daughter in law- Sara Jacoba Weideman, b6c4d4.

Also, are there sources for the grandparents: Fredricus Augusti Wideman &
Annae Catharinae Wideman (born in Cape Town?)

Tried to unravel this but the system froze halfway on me not having finished undoing.
Whether the parents of the SV?Prog were correct I could not determine.
They are however not the same couples because they have different parents

When I look at the tree now, I see that the "grandparents" have disappeared, as has the name of the "father", but the "mother" (Sara Jacoba nee Vlotman, who is actually the daughter-in-law) is still named.

Check now

Thank you, Sharon, that looks much better!

While searching for Johanna Catharina Storm, b8c3 on Geni I found this discussion. I've added her death notice which also lists more children for Henricus Jacobus Wydeman and Sarah Jacoba Vlotman.
There may be duplicate profiles on Geni for these "new" children. I would appreciate help in finding possible duplicates.

eg: These two could be a match:
Roelof Erasmus van Heerden
Roelof Erasmus van Heerden

Hi Charmaine - both of the Roelof van Heerden links in your post go to the same profile.

Also, could you give the names of the "new" children as I can't see a larger version of the DN.

Thanks

Private User The link to the Death Notice is on Johanna Catharina Storm, b8c3's profile.
This is it, Johanna Catharina Storm, b8c3

The 2 profiles for Roelof Erasmus van Heerden were merged already.
Roelof Erasmus van Heerden was merged into Roelof Erasmus van Heerden, e2e7 by Marie Vermeulen-Boshoff.
Sat at 12:21 PM

Thanks, Charmaine.
The only difference I can see is that one of the deceased sisters is named as Martha Johanna, but she was christened Martha Christina.
Ref: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRLS-ZJZ
(if link doesn't work from here, it is on her profile).

I've added the 3 "new children" to the parents already. Anna Johanna Sophia Greeff (Weidemann); Edward Josephus Weidemann and Sarah Jacoba Welman (Weidemann) I wanted help to see if there are duplicate profiles for them.

Are we sure it's a son named Edward Josephus Weideman and not a daughter named Elisabeth Josepha Weideman?
Edward Josephus Weidemann
Elisabeth Josepha Fourie, b8c11

Is someone able to check the source? I'm working from KAB MOOC 1735 and the naming convention of daughter Maria Adriana Swart (Fourie)'s children.

So where did the Edward Josephus Weidemann come from?

I will look again where I saw the name. I'm sure I would not have added Edward Josephus Weidemann if I did not see the name somewhere.

Hi again Charmaine - I just found this old thread again - did you manage to find where Edward Josephus's name came from? Is he one who died young?

Must be my mistake, I got all the childrens names from the sisters death notice and it looked like Edward Josephus to me, at looking at it again it could be Elisabeth Josepha. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQF-XSM5-L?i=2140...

Yes, I'd say that's definitely Elizabeth not Edward.

Gail van Zyl-Webber says re Pieter Andries Christiaan Wijdeman, SV/PROG

Does anyone have a source document for his death stated as 25 Sep 1768 as it means that Jacob, Johannes and Maria are all born after he died? Thank you in advance.

Hi Sharon - I don't see a death date on the profile (perhaps it has been removed?). The date mentioned by Gail seems to come from a pedigree resource file on FamilySearch.org. but no source is attached, although there are notes (which I don't understand:
AFGS 2 _UID 56757B97BDB0781203C970E868E1F16A
AFGS 2 RIN MH:IF14567
I think it is unlikely to be a correct date, given that the baptisms of the 3 children mentioned are after 1768..
Another tree on FamilySearch suggests a death date of 1780, but no source for that one either.

Further to my comment above{
There is another Pedigree Resource file, which mentions the date 23 September 1767 (not 1768) NOT as his date of death, but as a date of INHERITANCE. Unfortunately no further details.
Ref https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3Z6G-443
So I think we can discount it as a death date, don't you?

Hi Beverley
That would make better sense. Let's see what Sharon thinks.

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