Pierre Chouteau, River Baron - Help building down this tree to a prima ballerina

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1/28/2016 at 3:32 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Chouteau is an ancestor of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Chouteau who died a few days ago.

I intend to build tree UP and hope to meet collaborators building tree DOWN

Who would care to join me?

1/29/2016 at 10:57 AM

Did it!

Yvonne Chouteau

Fascinating tree. She's the Great American Novel - strands of Shawnee, English nobility, French ...

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1/29/2016 at 3:18 PM

Thank you Erica! It turns out she is partly linked to my half brother's family from Louisiana, so quite interesting.
Yvonne Chouteau

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1/29/2016 at 3:21 PM
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1/29/2016 at 3:23 PM

Oh and Jean-Pierre Chouteau was also an Indian Agent?

1/29/2016 at 3:33 PM

https://books.google.com/books?id=j4GKdZyDnVsC&lpg=PT213&ot...

The Chouteaus: First Family of the Fur Trade.  Stan Hoig.  UNM Press, Jun 8, 2010 - History - 352 pages

There's a genealogy on the last pages ! Fascinating. The 1809 marriage was witnessed by Lewis & Clark. Many of the men had French wives, and also native families (Osage).

Yvonne's great grandfather married Mary Silverheels of the Shawnee, and removed with them to Cherokee Nation West, Indian Territory, present day northeast Oklahoma. this group of Shawnee was adopted by the Cherokee, and added to the rolls. So they are called Shawnee-Cherokee.

1/29/2016 at 3:46 PM

not so true about first family Madam.. i invite you if interesting into fur trader you will notice other ppl where there first, Chouteau have walked on the step of other

words of a Blondeau here

1/29/2016 at 9:56 PM

I didn't write the book!

The family is very interesting. They are not actually Chouteau, that is the legal father's name. The actual father was Pierre Augustin Laclède

The sons had Osage wives in additions to their French wives.

Pierre's son Pierre Augustin Laclède?through=6000000010506604220 married a woman of the Shawnee, as did their son William Myers Chouteau

He removed with his wife's family to Cherokee territory in northeast Oklahama; the group of Shawnee (called "the Loyal Shawnee" for conflicting reasons) were adopted by the Cherokee, and then known as Shawnee-Cherokee. They have only recently become a separate group in government eyes again.

William Myer's son Edmond Chouteau was a blind musician & teacher, attracting students from all over the state. His wife, called grand mere, was a descendant of Lord del a Ware, founder of Baltimore.

Edmond's son Corbett Edward Chouteau was an Indian agent, his only child was Yvonne "the five moon.". She was blonde & blue eyed and a child star dancer on the pow wow circuit. She won a full scholarship to the American Ballet Theatre & was a particular protege of the great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Danilova

Yvonne married a fellow performer of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballet_Russe_de_Monte_Carlo, Miguel Terekhov of Uraguay; his mother was native, & his father Ukrainian, who had once been a Russian ballet dancer.

Together Miguel & Yvonne founded the http://www.ou.edu/finearts/dance/ & the http://www.ou.edu/finearts/dance/

What a heritage & what a legacy.

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1/30/2016 at 10:35 AM

It is very interesting....the article I initially sent about her passing caught my eye as she was Native American and a ballet dancer...like I said, I pretty much stumbled upon her name because I really only knew a little about the 5 Native American Prima Ballerinas. What a great little research project. =)
And that the family is linked Acadians and family from Louisiana. (well not directly)

1/30/2016 at 10:48 AM

Can you trace to France / Canada? I don't see the connection frankly, it looks like France > New Orleans > Missouri territory > Oklahoma territory.

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1/30/2016 at 10:56 AM

well not directly, but the connection I shared earlier on the discussion has Joseph Carlos Roy dit Châtellerault and he is from Canada and ended up in Louisiana.

1/30/2016 at 11:06 AM

So we want to look at where the colors change in your path to Yvonne, that's when a new family enters the picture.

Yvonne Chouteau to Gen. Bernard Abadie Pratte, Sr.

(blue to brown)

Gen. Bernard Abadie Pratte, Sr. to Joseph Carlos Roy dit Châtellerault

(brown to green)

Note: the color choice is meaningless, it's just to show it's a line thru marriage

So of these, which line goes to Canada, and how does Canada reach Louisiana (if it does)

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1/30/2016 at 12:45 PM

Perhaps M Anderson Private User would like to join us
and morel in finding out if there is a link to the Acadians and Canada ?

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1/30/2016 at 2:24 PM

I have been helping a high school friend who is related to the Palmers part of the Chouteau family, and we would be happy to help.

Rosalie Leposky
leposkygen@gmail.com
305-285-2200

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1/30/2016 at 3:42 PM

Private User any help she can offer would be great I think. Erica Howton someone with a family link!

1/30/2016 at 4:02 PM

Can you identify the Palmers link? Remember the book I linked above has several pages of family members listed.

1/30/2016 at 5:34 PM

I'm getting closer on the Silverheels/Bluejacket link in Ohio. Still have some birth/death dates to work details out on or I am missing one generation. But I am certain she ties into the Cornstalk lineage. Erica, you have been a great help with the Moses and Elizabeth "Betsy" Silverheels profile.

1/30/2016 at 8:48 PM

That was a great find on FindAGrave! Check there perhaps for other Silverheels & Bluejackets ?

1/30/2016 at 8:49 PM

(is Sllverheels the best name for a dancer or what !)

1/30/2016 at 10:50 PM

Yvonne Chouteau is Thomas Ware's second great granddaughter.
http://www.geni.com/path/Thomas-Ware+is+related+to+Yvonne-Chouteau?...

Thomas Ware was a private in the American Revolutionary War. The Five Moon could have been a DAR.

His wife was a "Rock Creek" Bryant, of anyone wants to find her family.

https://sites.google.com/site/bryantsofrockislandcreek/john-bryant-...

1/31/2016 at 12:21 AM

https://goo.gl/TU5nna

can be of interess in this family Chouteau,

1/31/2016 at 12:38 AM

Before Lewis and Clark: The Story of the Chouteaus, the French Dynasty That ... Par Shirley Christian

Very nice charts!

1/31/2016 at 12:58 AM

There is a relationship to a VP of the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Curtis

The talk page on Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_Curtis#Tribal_ancestry_n...

http://www.vpcharlescurtis.net/ksstudies/ccfamily.html

Curtis's mother was Ellen Pappan (born 1870).

Ellen Pappan's parents were Julie Gonville (born 1811) and Louis Pappan (born 1815).

Julie Gonville's parents were Louis Gonville (born 1804? [sic]) and Wy-He-See (born about 1798). Louis Gonville is described as "from Canada... mother is Potawatomie".

Wy-He-See was the daughter of White Plume and Me-Na. White Plume was a Kansa, aka Kaw; Me-Na was an Osage, related to Chief White Hair.

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1/31/2016 at 1:44 AM

jackpot!! i found a native Chouteau family member and aaaaalot of pics (daguerreotype) i will ask the grand manitou to help us to add them in time :)

Forrest W. Chouteau
down the page
https://www.pinterest.com/skeeternix7/ancestors/
http://amertribes.proboards.com/thread/638

i will chek on fot gonville and papan

1/31/2016 at 9:21 AM

Martin - that page is amazing. So full of information, we even got Auguste's coat !

Wow. Thank you, I hope you go ahead & expand the Geni tree from it.

1/31/2016 at 9:26 AM

http://www.geni.com/people/Enrique-Henri-V-Raúl-Angenscheidt-Barido...

Please take a look at this famous native of Uraguay

Miguel Terekhov

Is there any knowledge of his family in Uraguay we can add to his tree on Geni?

My many thanks for any assistance.

1/31/2016 at 9:34 AM

Louis Joseph Pappan needs to be connected to the rest of his family and the Chouteau's.

1/31/2016 at 9:57 AM

well grand manitou have worked but he will make me working more :P

http://www.vpcharlescurtis.net/ksstudies/ccfamily.html
http://www.interment.net/data/canada/qc/brome/knowlton/knowl_ac.htm

and this very valuable informations in PDF

http://goo.gl/eZa9Zp

so i going to read alot today

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