Family Tree

Very nice tree, thank you.

The one thing I noticed is that it shows that Mary Hungerford was the daughter of Walter and Elizabeth, not Alice. It also shows that the died in 1613 and married Thomas Shaa but no children listed. That would make her Edward's full sister, not half.

Do you have a link to the Geni profiles to be moved around?

Not moved around but updated according to Hungerford Castle.

Robert Hungerford shows born in 1423 rather than 1431.
Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford

Agnes Hungerford hung in 1523 rather than 1522.
Agnes Hungerford

Elizabeth Hussey Hungerford shows to be born in 1510 in Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England rather than in 1528 in Blankney. 22 years would be a very short time to have that many children.

Elizabeth Throckmorton

And then Mary Hungerford shows to be the daughter of Walter and Elizabeth, not Alice, making her Edward's full sister.

Mary Shaa

Mary's profile is managed by my cousin Ann so I choose not to change it with out her knowledge.

Interesting -- there is a respondent on your link with a line that matches mine: Hall --> King --> Carew --> de Courteney --> de Hungerford.

Which link is that. I also show you to be a 9th cousin on the Tisdale side of my family.

Pamela Joyce Tisdale Poppe Antrup

Data updates done. Thank you for organizing it.

Ann Farley come have a look the chart Pamela found

https://www.facebook.com/farleighhungerfordcastle/photos/a.58636430...

Thank you. Sometimes small details are minor and sometimes others can make a difference in lineage.

I have been researching the Hungerford line and am curious. Walter Hungerford born1532 shows his mother as Elizabeth. She and Walter married in 10/1532. Findagrave shows that Alice was his mother. Is it possible that Walter was born in 02/1532 and Alice died in childbirth making her his mother rather than Elizabeth since she didn't marry until October ?

Geni's information seems correct other than the possibility of Walter's mother.

Pamela, we are related through 2 sons of Goodman John King...I used to show him as a descendant of Ralph King, but Geni cut that relationship.

I was referring to your Hungerford Castle link in your 1st post in this thread

Hi. Yes we are cousins through the Tisdale-King-Hall line. If you have seen my other posts it pays to check dates. Whoever posted this tree from the Hungerford Castle must have not researched it.

Walter and Susan would be the parents of William, Jane and Susan.
Walter and Alice would be the parents of Eleanor and Mary. Walter and Edward are in question. Walter was born in 1532 when Alice died. His father and Elizabeth did not marry until 10/1532. Edward is mentioned in Mary's epitaph but birth year says 1535 so, is birth year incorrect or is he simply the son of Walter and Elizabeth and mentioned for some reason although no other siblings or mother are ? It can be confusing and hard to say without solid documentation.

Very grateful to Pamela and I have copied her tree. The way I see the Hungerfords - which is the most muddling family it is possible to be related to! .......
Walter de Hungerford married Maud de Heytesbury Born about 1235 in Heytesbury, Wiltshire
Daughter of John (Heytesbury) de Heytesbury

SON Walter Hungerford alive 1308 had a son Sir Robert de Hungerford (d 1354)
who married Geva (widow of Adam de Stokke) Had another son called Sir Walter de Hungerford
married Elizabeth (dau of Sir Adam FitzJohn of Cherill)
THEIR SON Sir Thomas de Hungerford of Farley (Farleigh) and Heytesbury, First Speaker of the House of Commons (d 03.12.1397)
married Joane Hussey (dau of Sir Edmund Hussey of Holbrook)
THEIR SON Sir Walter Hungerford of Heytesbury and Homet, 1st Lord, Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset (d 09.08.1449, 4th son, Treasurer)
married firstly (about 18.09.1402) Catherine Peverell (dau of Thomas Peverell)
THEIR SON Sir Robert Hungerford, 2nd Lord (d 18.05.1459) married Margaret Botreaux, Baroness Botreaux (d 07.02.1477/8, dau of William de Botreaux, 3rd Lord)
THEIR SON Robert Hungerford, 3rd Lord Hungerford, Lord Moleyns (born prior to 1429, d 18.05.1463/4)
married (before 05.11.1440) Eleanor Molines (b 11.06.1426, dau of William, Lord Molines)
[Both Robert and, later, his son Thomas were attainted and beheaded for their support of the Lancastrian cause in the War of the Roses. ]
THEIR SON Sir Thomas Hungerford (d 1469) married (before 16.10.1460) Anne Percy (dau of Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland)
THEIR DAUGHTER Mary Hungerford, de jure Baroness Botreaux had 2 husbands, 1. Edward Hastings, 2nd Lord Ashby de la Zouch, 'Lord Hungerford' (b 26.11.1466, d 08.11.1506/7)
then 2. Sir Richard Sacheverell.
THEIR OTHER SON, bro of Thomas, Sir Walter Hungerford of Heytesbury (d 1516) who married Jane (widow of Thomas Bulstrode of London)
THEIR SON Sir Edward Hungerford of Heytesbury married Jane Zouche (dau of John Zouche, Lord of Haryngworth)
THEIR SON Sir Walter Hungerford, Lord of Heytesbury (d 28.07.1541) Sir Walter was attainted and executed for heresy and treason. He married first Susanna Danvers (dau of Sir John Danvers)
THEIR SON Sir Walter Hungerford of Farley Castle had two wives who may both be mothers of his children Edmund, Susan, Lucy and Jane Wife 1. Ann Basset Wife 2. Anne Dormer (dau of Sir William Dormer)
SIR WALTER H. died 1541 also married Alicia Sandys (dau of William, Lord Sandys)
ALICIA WAS MOTHER TO .. Sir Edward Hungerford (d 1608) who had two wives: 1. Jane Hungerford (dau of Sir Anthony Hungerford of Down Ampney) then 2. Cicely Tufton (dau of Sir John Tufton)
" " " " Mary Hungerford who married twice 1. Thomas Shaw or Shaa of Essex (son of Sir John (not Edward), Mayor) and then 2. Thomas or James Baker (or Barber) of Essex
" " " " Anne Hungerford
SIR WALTER H. d 1541 also married 3rd wife .. (10.1532) Elizabeth Hussey (d 23.01.1553/4, dau of John Hussey, Lord of Sleford)

Yes they are confusing. If you go by the children's birth year, mother's death years and their marriage years then:

Susan would be the mother of William, Jane and Susan.
Alice would be the mother of Eleanor, Mary and possibly Walter since he was born in 1532, she died in 1532 and Elizabeth and Walter didn't marry until 10/1532.
Elizabeth would be the mother of Edward b.1535 and Lucy b. 1550 since she and Walter married in 1532.
Edward's profile shows that he was born in 1535. Alice died in 1532.
So, are their birth years and mother's correct ? And, if Lucy was born in 1550 and Walter died in 1540, who's her father?

Very confusing.

I believe I found my answer. Lucy Hungerford was not Walter Hungerford's daughter who died in 1540. She was his granddaughter and daughter of his son Walter. In that case her profile needs to be moved.

LUCY HUNGERFORD (1560-1598)Daughter of Sir Walter Hungerford of Farleigh Castle, Somersetshire (c.1526-1596) and Anne Dormer (1525-1603). EXCERPT:'When she was ten, her father sued her mother for divorce, claiming she had committed adultery with a neighbor and tried to poison him. Lady Hungerford was separated from her children and eventually went into exile in Flanders with other English Catholics. In about 1584, Lucy married John St. John of Lydiard Tregoze, Wiltshire (c.1552-1594).'

I cannot find where Walter d. 1540 had a daughter named Lucy. Am I missing something ?

I think the Geni tree agrees with you, Pamela

Lucy Hungerford

Hal Bradley has a long list of sources
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hwbradley/aqwg168...

And lots of poisoning accusations in the lives & wives of both Sir Walter l "executed" 1540 & his son Walter ll d 1596

https://books.google.com/books?id=SG3Qj9FsaHMC&lpg=PA260&ot...

Then I am thinking that Lucy Hungerford needs to be removed from Walter's d. 1540 profile ?