GLADYS RYAL AP CONYN - Profile has been TRASH-merged!

Reverted her information, as best I could. (I mixed up Shropshire with Staffordshire, above, but they're next to each other.)

As far as I can tell, Gladys whoever-she-supposedly-was is Fictional.

Whoa baby, where's Gerald de Windsor? He's supposed to be one of the sons of Walter FitzOtho and Beatrice, and he actually had a Gladys (ferch Rhiwallon, wife of Rhys ap Tewdwr) for a mother-in-law.

And just for the record, any attempt to link the Wiindsor line back to the "Gherardini" family of Italy is pure hogwash. Somebody in the 17th century was trying to glitz up his family tree and made a right mess of it.

More trouble: this profile has two sets of parents and is Deathlocked. William FitzGerald, Baron of Windsor and Pembroke

MPd and name locked her

Thanks, Jason - that should keep further shenanigans to a minimum.

Now getting back to William FitzGerald - MedLands thinks he isn't Nesta's son.

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Gerald had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

d) WILLIAM FitzGerald of Carew Castle, Pembrokeshire (-1173). The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales names "David Bishop of Menevia and William the Bastard…sons to Gerald the steward" as the brothers of "Robert son of Stephen by Nest daughter of Rhys son of Tewdwr"[1043]. The Annales Cambriæ name "Willielmus filius Geraldi" among those who destroyed "castellum Wix" in 1148[1044]. m ---. The name of William’s wife is not known. William & his wife had four children:

i) RAYMOND "le Gros" .

ii) GRIFFITH . The Expugnatio Hibernica names "nepos…Mauricii Stephanidæque, Griffinus"[1045].

iii) ODO . Ancestor of the Baronets CAREW[1046].

iv) daughter . m ---. One child:

(a) DAVID "the Welshman" .

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#_To...

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The Welsh tradition goes that when Nests was abducted by Owen, her *two* sons and a daughter were also kidnapped, along with "another son that he [=her husband] had by a concubine". And it's William who generally gets tagged as that one.

The Center for the Study of Ancient Wales takes a jaundiced look at the Gerald-Nesta-Owain situation and adds a dose of salt: http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id160.html

Surprise surprise surprise, guess who (at the very least) assisted with muddying the waters!

The "Gladys [ferth] Ryall ap Conyn" beeswax is modern, bogus, and may originate from - was certainly popularized by - the infamous Emma Siggins White. Emma, or her source, seems to have gotten Gerald of Windsor's *mother* (documented in at least one place as "Beatrice") mashed up with his *mother-in-law*: Gwladys ferth Rhiwallon (ap Cynan), wife of Rhys ap Tewdwr and mother of Nesta ferth Rhys. (Then she, or her source, hideously garbled the name on top of it.)

I might have known Emma Siggins White was involved - everything she touched turned to trash, because she was both incompetent and dishonest.

She certainly got around ....