Marie Bérnard - Cleaning up

Hi Jeff ,
Re: Andree Guyon husband being Charles instead of Andre Bernard.
Andre Bernard seem more likely to me could you give more incite into why you think it is Charles.

Stan

Thanks for the shout out Jeff

From ' http://www.leveillee.net/ancestry/landry.htm "

This suggest that Andre Bernard may not be Marie's father but it don't separate her father from her mother.

Marie Bernard was born ca.1645 probably in Beauvoir-Sur-Mer, France. There is some question also as to who her parents were. There is considerable proof that her mother was "Marie" Andree Guyon (Guidon). Professor White in his "Dictionaire genealogique des families acadiennes, partie I (1636-1714) " states ....."Marie Bernard d/o (?? Bernard) & Andree Guion , born 1645". However, Bona Arcenault's "Histoire et genealogie des Acadians", Vol 2, p428-429, states that Marie Bernard's father was Andre Bernard:

ANDRE BERNARD, born 1620, Macon, originating in Beauvoir-sur-Mer, arrived in Acadia in 1641, "pour aller servir en l'habitation" for Charles de Latour, a Jemseg, on the river Saint-Jean in New Brunswick. He is the father of Jeanne, born 1643; Marie, born 1645; Nicholas, born 1662; and Rene, born 1663. "Apres la prise du fort de Jemseg par D'Aulnay", in 1645, he returned to France to return to Acadia "apres la rehabitation de Charles de LaTour, par la cour de France." According to footnotes on page 428, Andre Bernard "Lors de la prise du fort de Jemseg, par Charles d' Aulnay, gouverneur d'Acadia, le 17 avril 1645, plusieurs compagnons de Charles de LaTour, faits prisonnies, ont ete pendus sur place, apres deliberation du Conseil, pour servir d'exemple et de memoire a la poste-rite, d'une si obstinee rebellion. Andre Bernard est epargne et il en signe l'attestation, le 15 mai 1645. (Couillard, Charles de Saint-Etienne de La Tour, p.489).

Disputing the fact that Andre Bernard was Marie Bernard's father is the following from Bona Arcenaults publication quoting "Father Godbout indicates that the mother of the child Marie Bernard is Andree Guion. Her father is not Andre Bernard......."

Despite all the confusion to this point, it is agreed upon that Rene Landry le Jeunne and Marie Bernard were married and in Acadia in 1659. Together, they had fifteen (15) children, all born at Port Royal. They were Antoine, born 1660; Claude, 1663; Cecile, 1664; Jean, 1666; Rene, 1668; Marie, 1670; Marguerite, 1672; Germain, 1674; Jeanne, 1676; Abraham, 1678; Pierre, 1680; Catherine, 1682; Anne, 1684; Charles, 1688; and Isabelle, 1691.

As far as I know, Dr. Stephen White, the authority on Acadian Genealogy, doesn't believe her husband was Andre Bernard. I think he just lists "--- Bernard". I can ask Lucie Constantino what the latest thought is, but FrancoGene is usually up to date with the latest.

Lucie says Andre Bernard was an artisan for Latour who returned to France and did not marry in Acadia. We don't know anything about "--- Bernard". So, I think the best thing would probably just be to list his first name as "Unknown Bernard" (lock it) and add Andre Bernard, Charles Bernard, and Rene Bernard as AKA names.

I've emailed Denis (of FrancoGene) to ask where he got the name Charles. Maybe it's new info.

Denis said he compared with a database of records in that area and it is Charles. He didn't think Rene Bernard from nosorigins was reliable.

I agree for now we should use "Unknown Bernard" (lock it) and add Andre Bernard, Charles Bernard,as AKA names.
I don't see any reason to add Rene Bernard as every where I seen him it was as Andre son.

We have Jean Dumais as Marie Andree Guyon husband this I believe is a mistake.
Jean Dumais wife was Andree Guionne she was born in 1640 and Jean was born around 1640.
Marie Andree Guyon was born about 1616 therefore I think they should be treated as separate people.

What's your thoughts ?

Sounds good as I don't know that anyone has made that connection beyond Geni.

It may be something for future research. Guyon is the name standardization of Guionne. http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/Dico/Noms

Here is the PDRH listing: http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/Gratuit/en/PRDH/Liste/Union?nh=D...

Their marriage was in 1664, which I think is the year Claude was born. I'm not sure if there is a record for a 1640 birth or if that is an estimated date based on this marriage.

In any case, best to create a new Andree profile for Jean and Claude. Done

Looking good thanks for all your work.

Marie Andree Bernard daughter Marie who married Rene Landry their oldest son Antoine Landry married Marie "L'Aine" Thibodeau who have a problem with her parents and a lot of her siblings have the same problems.

She have two fathers and one mother,
I checked the Acadian census for 1671, 1679, 1686 and 1693.
Her mother's name is spelled Jeanne Terriot in the last 3 census.
Her Marie father name is 1671 Thibeaudeau, 1678 Thibaudeau, 1686 Tibeaudeau and 1693 Tibeaudeau.

So that should be proof that the two fathers are the same person. There are two curators Pierre Thibodeau - Angus Wood-Salomon and you for Pierre Tibaudeau.

If the two fathers can be merge together that should solve about 10 problems as a lot of her siblings have the same problems.

Yeah, I saw that and had it open to check it out. Fixed it.

Good move Private User

Looking good Jeff thanks for all the work .

Marie Andree Guyon and Unknown Bernard's daughter Jeanne Bernard husband Guyon-Denis Chiasson have a pending merge the curator is David Lee Kaleita.

I check it out using( http://chiasson.chebucto.org/Guyon02163801.html )
and everything seem OK for the merge. How do we get this merge to happen ?

I went and approved the merge. If you can resolve the remaining conflicts, that would be great. It required curator approval because the duplicate was in an isolated tree.

Andree Guyon 2nd husband Antoine Beliveau have two wives.
Andree Guyon have a son Jean-Antoine Beliveau.
Unknown with a son Louis Beliveau.

Jean-Antoine and Louis have the same born and died year and they have the same wife. So they are probably the same person.

Cecile Melancon did have a son named Louis Beliveau.

Jean-Antoine married Cecile Melancon. Yeah, I think perhaps someone use the son's name by mistake.

http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/085/085418.php
http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?pid=5730&par...

Sounds right good job.

To add to the conversation, came upon a metis blog regarding this Marie Bernard & René le jeune Landry. http://metisgaspesie.com/familles-metisses-en-gaspesie/ I am contacting this website to receive explanation as to how they come to confirm that Marie Bernard is a métis.

Hey all, great work with the clean up. This all makes much more sense. I had been a bit busy with trying to open a new business and feel bad that I was unable to contribute anything, so, a big thank you to all involved!!