Catherine Gray of Buttergask

Hi Vicki

I'll try to describe my method of tree validation. I do it in sections.

Geni says: Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven is Erica Isabel Howton's third cousin 15 times removed!

http://www.geni.com/path/Erica-Howton+is+related+to+Catherine-Gray-...

(note: there might very well be "alternate paths" to the same profile & different relationships).

So how do I section this off to a manageable chunk?

There are two main pieces: American side, Scotland side. I already know what is weak & strong about my links in the US. So I would just work on this historical section, from the 3rd Earl to Catherine Gray. Using the pushpin again to these two:

Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven is Sir Cuthbert Cunningham, 3rd Earl of Glencairn's first cousin once removed's husband's sister.

http://www.geni.com/path/Sir-Cuthbert-Cunningham-3rd-Earl-of-Glenca...

(a smaller and more manageable project)

So the next step is to inspect each of the links between for:

- sources
- tree conflicts
- data conflicts

I generally would have a good guide in front of me in another window.

Thanks so much for your post. I'll take a look at the links.

One thing that I think could be improved on GENI is to provide the multiple pathways to a profile. I don't know why there could not be some kind of clickable that denotes the number of pathways and allows you to click on all of them. Maybe there is a way to do this but I am not aware of it.

That's a Geni enhancement, apparently quite a large development effort.

What you might find of interest is the HistoryLink add on utility, which generates reports from Geni with some varying ways of looking at your tree. I will invite you to the project for it so you can learn more.

I would be very interested in the HistoryLink add on utility

Where did you get your sources to connect Catherine as a "Gray" The sources I have come across state that her last name was really not known and that she lived in the Buttergask area. I have not been able to find a listing which list Andrew Gray and Elizabeth Stewart as having a child named Catherine either. .... thank you for your time. Candy

IT WOULD APPEAR, that someone keeps making changes ???
the correct lineage is:
J.D. Bowen changed it by accident,

i also know it took 'de vere' lineage off the tracks too

this might be helpful ...

Sir William Ruthven (mother was a Halyburton)
his father
Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
his mother, Daughter of Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray and
Marion Gray

Sir William Ruthven, Knight
→
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven Castle
his father
Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle - Birth: circa April 19, 1503
Daughter of Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun Castle
and Margaret Douglas - Halyburton
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
→
Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
his mother
William Ruthven, Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle- Birth: circa July 12, 1478
-Ruthven Castle, Perthshire, Scotland
Son of William Brentford Ruthven, 1st Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle
and Lady Isabel Livingston - Lindsay - Ruthven, Countess of Brentford
Catherine Gray
→
Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
her mother
Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray
her father, Son of Patrick Gray, Master of Gray
and Annabella Forbes - Gray
Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
→
John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
her father
Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
her mother, Daughter of Archibald Douglas, 5th Earl of Douglas
and Eupheme Graham, Lady Hamilton, Daughter of Patrick Graham of Kincardine, Earl of Strathearn
and Euphemia Stewart, Countess of Strathearn
John Stewart of Balveny, 1st Earl of Atholl
→
James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
his father
Joan Beaufort, Queen consort of Scots
his mother, Daughter of John Earl of Somerset Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
and Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
→
Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
her mother
John Earl of Somerset Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
her father

this is the correct lineage posted above
all the changes made; are actually detailed here
https://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/threads/phony-lake-family-profiles...

another thing to check
is RUFFiN is NOT RUTHVEN
see changes on this one
Alexander Ruthven of Freeland

i know this is the correct lineages

his might be helpful ...

Sir William Ruthven (mother was a Halyburton)
his father
Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
his mother, Daughter of Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray and
Marion Gray

Sir William Ruthven, Knight
→
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven Castle
his father
Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle - Birth: circa April 19, 1503
Daughter of Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun Castle
and Margaret Douglas - Halyburton
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
→
Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
his mother
William Ruthven, Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle- Birth: circa July 12, 1478
-Ruthven Castle, Perthshire, Scotland
Son of William Brentford Ruthven, 1st Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle
and Lady Isabel Livingston - Lindsay - Ruthven, Countess of Brentford
Catherine Gray
→
Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
her mother
Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray
her father, Son of Patrick Gray, Master of Gray
and Annabella Forbes - Gray
Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
→
John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
her father
Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
her mother, Daughter of Archibald Douglas, 5th Earl of Douglas
and Eupheme Graham, Lady Hamilton, Daughter of Patrick Graham of Kincardine, Earl of Strathearn
and Euphemia Stewart, Countess of Strathearn
John Stewart of Balveny, 1st Earl of Atholl
→
James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
his father
Joan Beaufort, Queen consort of Scots
his mother, Daughter of John Earl of Somerset Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
and Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
→
Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
her mother
John Earl of Somerset Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
her father

i think this one, got put back on the right tracks :)

Yves de Creil

is this an accurate profile ???

thanks; susan

Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven (Gray)
Gender: Female
Birth: March 06, 1483
Ruthven Castle, Ruthven, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: circa 1501 (13-22)
Ruthven Castle, Ruthven, Perthshire, Scotland (Deceased)
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray and Elizabeth Stewart
Wife of William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven
Mother of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven and Isobel Ruthven