The Many Faces of Eve (de Grey)

Started by Private User on Tuesday, April 21, 2015
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Private User
4/21/2015 at 10:44 PM

Eve de Redvers Unknown Profile, Eva de Redvers seems to have brought the name "Eve" into the de Grey family, and into an unfortunate popularity within it.

There were two Eves in the next generation: her daughter Eve Eva Beauchamp de Grey, who married Andrew de Beauchamp, and a niece(?) Eve Unknown Profile who married Ralph de Murdac. Eve de Murdac was dead by 1192, when Ralph made a donation to Eynsham abbey, for the soul of "...Eue de Grai uxoris mee”.

Eve de Beauchamp is probably the "cousin Eve" from whom Walter de Grey, Archbishop of York bought Rotherfield Greys for his older(?) brother Robert.

Archbishop Walter had a sister Eve Eve de Grey, who married one William Brito/le Breton (plus a more or less documented sister, Agnes, and another attributed sister, Hawise, and several brothers besides Robert), and a niece Eve (by which sibling is unknown - she may even have been the daughter of one of his sisters, and thus not named de Grey) who married Walter de Beke in 1222.

The Archbishop's sister Eve's son, Walter le Breton, became a canon of York, as did a namesake nephew (brother's son - but which brother?), Walter de Grey and the nephew's brother Henry. Another nephew took the name William Langton (sometimes also called William of Rotherfield) and became Dean of York, refusing (or being refused) higher office. https://books.google.com/books?id=1enRAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT273&lpg...

(The confusion in this section of the tree is extreme, and is *not* limited to the multiple Eves.)

Private User
4/21/2015 at 11:14 PM

The Ralph Murdac charter reference from Medlands was so drastically redacted as to be utterly misleading. The original, from the Eynsham Cartulary, clarifies the situation. He was not specifically requesting prayers for the soul of a deceased wife (as Medlands made it sound). His request was for more general prayers for the spiritual welfare of the King and himself and his wife and their ancestors.

That may reduce the number of Eves by one, identifying the "niece" of Eve de Redvers with her daughter Eve. But there are still at least four Eves who should not be confused with each other.

Private User
4/21/2015 at 11:55 PM

A question has been raised as to whether Archbishop Walter was a Grey on the paternal side, the maternal side or possibly both. Apparently his mother's name was Hawise and she was a Grey by birth - but unless she married a Grey cousin (there may already have been enough Greys running around for that to be possible), her husband must have taken her name. This happened from time to time when a man married a woman of higher status than he was, or when there was a close association with prestigious property.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2010-12/...

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