Moshe Ashkenazi - Moshe Ashkenazi Father of Moshe Stern HaLevi Ashkenazi?

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Private User
12/26/2014 at 8:36 AM

How can father and son have the same name?

Vivian Kahn, his 15th great granddaughter

12/26/2014 at 9:54 AM

I believe it happens when the father dies before the son is born.

Also of course Sephardic families name children for living relatives.

And believe it or not Ashkenaz could be a name they used for Sephardim.

12/26/2014 at 9:59 AM

His daughter married a Horowitz. They and Epstein are of Sephardic origin. That might say something about Moshe Ashkenazi's origins too. It was just ppost the final expulsion of 1492

12/26/2014 at 10:15 AM

I agree with both Hatte's hypothesis.

There is an interesting French Family Tree which also lists the father and son as Moshe, but qualifies that records before 1500 are not quite reliable, though the Horowitz family seems to be a bit of an exception.

ie.

Family Tree of Famille Quevy-Dumont:

http://gw.geneanet.org/fquevy?lang=en;pz=elise+marie+paule+jeanne;n...

Father : http://gw.geneanet.org/fquevy?lang=en;pz=elise+marie+paule+jeanne;n...

Son: http://gw.geneanet.org/fquevy?lang=en;pz=elise+marie+paule+jeanne;n...

Born in 1488 - Mainz , 55001, Mainz, Rheinland Pfalz, Allemagne

". . . However, I want to clarify that certain data contained beyond 1500 are mostly historical or sometimes for some hypothetical and therefore can always be questioned. The Jewish ancestry of the Horowitz family has been studied for centuries and is relatively reliable."

12/26/2014 at 10:22 AM

Note that the family name Ashkenazi is ironically enough classified as of Iberian origins.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/IberianSurnamesofAshkenaz/
(Schelley Dardashti)

12/26/2014 at 11:11 AM

My cousin told me about Ashkenaz a few years ago although I haven't seen verification. Schelly's project includes whichever people joined it such as my family -- Frankel and Franklin.

12/26/2014 at 11:13 AM

I thought Schelley's project was the result of DNA test results of these families showing Iberian origins?

12/26/2014 at 11:33 AM

Following the Ashkenazi surname ancestry back, it is indeed not Sephardi, but are direct descendants of Rashi from Treves, France.

http://www.loebtree.com/rashi.html

Daniel Loeb mentions, 117 [44] Rabbi (TREVESIAN) Jochanan (Yahanan I) Ashkenazi TREVES (b. Abt 1265 Treves, d. Worms, Germany). Left France between 1285 and 1314 during the expulsion of Jews by Philippe IV and settled in Germany where he acquired the surname Ashkenazi.

12/26/2014 at 11:45 AM

The way the family Tree DNA projects work are the surnames are those who join the project. And the only criterion for joining that project is the suspicion of having Sephardic ancestry. And the names are likely the names of the peoe tested.

12/26/2014 at 11:48 AM

Private User BTW, Vivian, I am a 15th great granddaughter of Moshe Ashkenazi too.

We are connected via Nechama Ashkenazi (Teomim) who was a Frankel Teomim.

According to Geni you and I are 13th cousins!

12/27/2014 at 4:41 PM

My 14th ggf

12/27/2014 at 4:44 PM
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