Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM - Cornelis' stepdaughter, not his biological daughter

Начала Sharon Doubell понедельник, 10 ноября 2014
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10.11.2014 в 5:23 до полудня

Both http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I092.html & http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm suggest that Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1 is Adriaantje's step father, & her biological father is unknown. Both sources reference each other so it is a bit solipsistic to assume they're confirming each other - but unless someone has sources to disprove this, I think it's fair enough to remove her from being Cornelis' daughter.

"She was identified as the voordogter of Catharina, the wife
of Cornelis Claasz (Kees de Boer) by Mansell Upham in his
excellent article, The Soetkoek Syndrome, based on the
evidence of her marriage entry in the Cape Town register.
(Mansell Upham, The soetkoek syndrome, in Capensis 2/2001,
pages 27-30)."

10.11.2014 в 5:35 до полудня

Actually we appear to have a candidate for her father: Gabriel van Samboua, SV/Prog - given her patronymic. Private User & Delia Robertson - you might find this interesting.

Relocating Adriaantje to be the child of this man.
Yell if anyone disagrees.

10.11.2014 в 9:32 после полудня

Actually if you look at the top of her page (http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm), CC is described as her step-father, and the source for this is *not* footnote 1, but footnote 2 i.e. her marriage record in which she is described as "stiefdogter van Kees de Boer".

10.11.2014 в 10:21 после полудня

Delia Robertson, I saw that and agree with you - changed the profile accordingly. I called you here because I thought you might interested in checking out whether Gabriel van Samboua existed.

10.11.2014 в 10:42 после полудня

Die wonderlike Marie Vermeulen-Boshoff het hierdie vir my gestuur:
Hi Sharon,
Ek sal so bietjie snuffel, wil net die volgende met jou deel ek kry dit nie op Geni, miskien kan ons dit op sit hoop nie dit is dieselfe Gabriel nie.
Gabriel van SAMBAUWA en Catharina van de Caap.
Doop: Gabriel Pieter op 3 Jan 1747.
Getruie: Pieter van Palicatta
Lekker aand
Marie

10.11.2014 в 10:59 после полудня

I am aware of him, but have not started adding any records in which he appears yet.

11.11.2014 в 1:29 до полудня

Meer navorsing op hierdie van Marie Vermeulen-Boshoff:

Ek stuur ook die volgende vir jou. Alles is op Family Search.

Die onderstaande lui alles oor slawe wat ten doop gebring is. Die onderstaande was 'n Lyfgeines van Heer Ryk Tulbach. Sy is saam met David van Ceylon gedoop. Ek vermoed dat sy ook al ouer was.

Catharina Van Sambauwa
South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers
Name: Catharina Van Sambauwa
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 12 May 1754
Event Place: Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
GS Film number: 2214107 , Digital Folder Number: 4322620 , Image Number: 00288

Kyk ook na die een ek dink dit is dieselfde Gabriel. Die inskrywing lui as volg.
Gabriel van Sambauwa gedoop as bejaarde vrygegewen persoon, na belydenis

Gabriel Van Sambauwa
South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers
Name: Gabriel Van Sambauwa
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 25 Oct 1744
Event Place: Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
GS Film number: 2214107 , Digital Folder Number: 4322620 , Image Number: 00214
Lekker dag,
Marie

11.11.2014 в 1:30 до полудня

En ook:

Hi Sharon,
Ek het nou weer deur ou boeke geblaai, en op die volgende af gekom.
SOOGESEGDE VADER Gabriel van SAMBAUWA EN DE MOEDER CATHARINA VAN DE CAAP VRYGEGEVEN.
Hul het op 22 Nov 1744 die volgende kinders gedoop.
Jacobus.
Abraham.
Helena.
Sarah Cathrina.
Lekker dag,
Marie

Private User
12.11.2014 в 6:56 после полудня

Allocating this non-white man as biological father is nonsensical for at least two glaring reasons: (1) the time frame & (2) familiarizing yourselves with the rudiments of how & when slave infants were baptized at the Cape of Good Hope during this period, one would appreciate that Adriaentje Gabriels: was in fact 'halfslag' - born of a slave mother and accepted/presumed by the minister baptizing the infant (& congregation) to be biologically fathered by a European or white man - 'heelslag' slave infants in this time frame were still being denied baptism at the Cape ...

12.11.2014 в 9:55 после полудня

Hmm, okay - the halfslag/heelslag is an important distinction. (We have a project where we try and keep a record of slaveowners & who they owned when in the hope that this will be a useful resource when DNA testing becomes more widespread.)

I'm going to remove Adriaantje asa child of Gabriel's & give her a NN European father. Marie Vermeulen-Boshoff - I think your baptism list's lack of her name is also a red flag here.

13.11.2014 в 12:09 до полудня

I've changed her. Can someone update Gabriel's About Me text with all this new info on him that Marie found?

13.11.2014 в 12:48 до полудня

I did find the next info on a Adriaantje Gabriels, I am unsure if it is the same Adriaantje.

She had 2 Sons by Pieter Gerritz

Baptism of Theunis on 10 Mar 1689. Stellenbosch.
Baptism of Cornelius on 25 Jan 1694. Stellenbosch.

Adriaantje Gabriels and Coert Helm.

I did find the entries for Gerrit Helm bapt on 10 Apr 1705, and Hendrik Helm bapt on 24 Aug 1702.

13.11.2014 в 12:54 до полудня

What are the Sources though?
She witnesses a baptism with him, and her daughter marries a Gerritz:
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm & http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm

13.11.2014 в 2:14 до полудня

Family Search.

Adriaantie Gabriels
mentioned in the record of Cornelius Geritts
Name: Adriaantie Gabriels
Gender: Female
Husband: Pietter Geritts
Child: Cornelius Geritts
Other information in the record of Cornelius Geritts
from South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers
Name: Cornelius Geritts
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 25 Jan 1694
Event Place: Stellenbosch, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father's Name: Pietter Geritts
Mother's Name: Adriaantie Gabriels
Entry Number: 36.8 , GS Film number: 2214067 , Digital Folder Number: 4434395 , Image Number: 00391

Getuies. Griffel is bietjie onduidelik. Pasman ......... en Adriana of Anna.

Ariaentie Gabriel
mentioned in the record of Teunis Gerritsz
Name: Ariaentie Gabriel
Gender: Female
Husband: Pietter Gerritsz
Child: Teunis Gerritsz
Other information in the record of Teunis Gerritsz
from South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers
Name: Teunis Gerritsz
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 10 Mar 1689
Event Place: Stellenbosch, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father's Name: Pietter Gerritsz
Mother's Name: Ariaentie Gabriel
Entry Number: 1 , GS Film number: 2214067 , Digital Folder Number: 4434395 , Image Number: 00387
Getuies; Dit lyk soos Bastiaan en Adriana kan nie die vanne duidelik sien.

I attach the entries to Adriaantje, Source. If not her we can delete the enties.

13.11.2014 в 6:45 до полудня

Can you post the link?

13.11.2014 в 8:07 до полудня
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17.10.2018 в 2:19 после полудня

Link to baptisms of 4 children on 22 Nov 1744, Cape Town of Gabriel van Sambauwa and Catharina van de Caab - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZN4-WNL?i=4&a......
How do you determine this Catharina van de Caab is Catharina van Malabar? It just does not seem definitive to me.
There are several with the name of Catharina van de Caab throughout Cape history? There are 2 on this page plus an Elizabeth Catharina van de Caab!
My ancestor Jacob Friedrich Neethling also married a Catharina van de Caap.

30.12.2018 в 5:12 до полудня

Adriaantje Gabrielsz is still shown as the daughter of Gabriel van Samboua instead of a NN European father. Is this the consensus?

2.7.2019 в 11:12 до полудня
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