Alice (Royal Mistress) Perrers - Is Wikipedia correct on the birth and death days?

1348 as a birth year appears to be a "guesstimate" - she could have been born as early as c. 1340. 1400 is a definite death date: "Her will, dated 20 Aug. 1400, was proved on 3 Feb. 1401." (Dictionary of National Biography)

http://www.historynotes.info/the-peasant-who-became-edward-iiis-mis...

Thanks Maven,
Great Read Martin

ALICE Perrers née ---, widow of [JOHN] [Janyn] Perrers, daughter of --- (-1400) https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#_...

*gut feeling* is she Perrers is Ferrers and she must have been nobel to be in the Queens employ.

John de Ferrers, 3rd Baron Ferrers of Chartley (c. 1331 – 3 April 1367)

He died the year she was tried.

The Chronicon Angliæ records that “Alicia cognomento (named) Perrys” was found in 1376 to have married “domino Willelmo de Windeshore qui tunc in Hibernia morabatur”, the king declaring that he knew nothing of the marriage

She left her main property to youngest daughter Joan, possibly by her husband?

James de Perrers, Jr.

Her geni profile lists her as Edward's wife and mistress.

Agree with Sharon that she wasn't a peasant - her father was a sheriff

She was a Perrers by marriage, not birth - this is a recent discovery. Class-wise there are indications that she belonged to the London merchant class - her first husband, Janyn Perrers, was associated with the London Goldsmiths' Company. https://academic.oup.com/ehr/article-abstract/130/547/1361/2450233?...

Thanks :)

This is Marvens' link

Abstract
In the last ten years, Mark Ormrod has published two articles in which he revealed the discovery of new evidence regarding the origins of Alice Perrers, the notorious mistress of Edward III during the final years of his life. From this research two new facts emerged: first, that Alice had a brother named John Salisbury, and second, that before her relationship with the king she was married to a man named Janyn Perrers. However, many questions remained unanswered. This article now reveals further discoveries from the collections of the London Metropolitan Archives and the Goldsmiths’ Company, which shed new light on the identities of John and Janyn and the wider questions surrounding Alice’s birth and early life. Through a detailed study of Alice’s later life, it examines the consequences of these findings in terms of Alice’s relationship with the king, her commercial activity and property acquisitions, ultimately establishing a clear context for the behaviour for which she would be condemned as the mistress of Edward III.

Laura Tompkins, Alice Perrers and the Goldsmiths’ Mistery: New Evidence Concerning the Identity of the Mistress of Edward III , The English Historical Review, Volume 130, Issue 547, December 2015, Pages 1361-1391, https://doi.org/10.1093/ehr/cev319

I have a personal connection to (and peeve with) Alice Perrers. Edward III let her have the manor of Hamby (which had been sublet by the Hambys from the Orrebys for centuries) just because at that particular time there were no adult Orrebys or Hambys. It took Alice's disgrace and banishment for the families to get it back.

Hamby > Hanby > my paternal grandmother's ancestors.

Mistress (1): ([1363/74]) ALICE Perrers née ---, widow of [JOHN] [Janyn] Perrers, daughter of --- (-1400). “Johan de Kendale de Londres taillour” complained that “monseigneur William Wyndesore et Alice sa femme” had wrongfully withheld money from the price of cloth bought by Alice “en Grascherchestrate de Londres al feste de Nativite de Seint Johan le Baptiste lan de regne seigneur Edward xxxiiii” [24 Jun 1360][875]. “Johan de Kendale” requested the king to order “Alice Perers” to pay for cloth bought by “Janyn Perers iadiz baroun la dite Alice qi executrice ele” in “lan...seigneur Edward vostre aiel xxxiiii” [1360][876]. She was the king's mistress from [1363] until his death. The Chronicon Angliæ records that the king fell in love “adhuc vivente regina” with “in Anglia...mulier impudica, meretrix procacissima...Alicia cognomento Perrys, genere infima...cujusdam de villa de Henneye fuerat filia...pellice cujusdam [Lumbardi]” (with other uncomplimentary descriptions of her character)[877]. After King Edward III's death, she was tried for corruption, banished and her goods forfeited. She married secondly ([10 Dec 1374/Apr 1376]) William de Wyndesore, Governor of Ireland, who was summoned to Parliament from 1381 whereby he is held to have become Lord Wyndesore[878]. The Chronicon Angliæ records that “Alicia cognomento Perrys” was found in 1376 to have married “domino Willelmo de Windeshore qui tunc in Hibernia morabatur”, the king declaring that he knew nothing of the marriage[879]. The will of "Alice widow of William Wyndesor Knight", dated 15 Aug 1400, chose burial “in the parish church of Upmynster”, bequeathed property to “Joane my younger daughter my manor of Gaynes in Upminster...Jane and Joane my daughters all my other manors...which John Wyndsore or others have by his consent usurped”, and appointed “Joane my youngest daughter...” among her executors[880].

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