Maren Falch - Maren Falch ???!!!!????

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Private
9/28/2014 at 5:25 AM

I have problems with:

Lauritz Petterssøn Falch...

Tove Grøntvedt say his mother is: Maren Falch. Where is documentation for that ?
Other sources says his mother is: Anna Jonsdatter (d. 1673, Tjøtta); and his father is: Petter Jacobsen Falch ( b. Abt 1591, Vestnes, Romsdal, d. 1643, Tjøtta).
(Source: Svein Tore Dahl: Geistligheten i Nord-Norge og Midt-Norge i tiden 1536-1700, Trondheim 2000, page 53).
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Regards
Steen Blichert Stuhr

Private User
9/28/2014 at 8:32 AM

Private User made that change according to the revisions, not Tove
Before changing back to Peter Jacobsen Falch and Anna Joensdatter I would know the arguments for his change.

Private User
9/28/2014 at 11:18 AM

I'm sorry, you should correct my mistake.
I can't remember but I believe it was a conflict from an older merge between Lars Falch and Lars (Lauritz) Falch where Maren was listed as a parent of Lars Falch, instead of removing Maren as parent I added here as parent by mistake.

Sorry.

Private User
9/28/2014 at 11:34 AM

Could anyone locate those profiles?
I fear that someone have deleted them...

Private
9/29/2014 at 7:47 AM

Lauritz Petterssøn Falch (= Lars (Lauritz) Falch),
b. 1636, d. 30 januar 1705.

Lauritz Petterssøn Falch var Sogneprest i Fosnes, Namdalen. Han ble født i 1636 i Tjøtta, Alstahaug, Nordland. He was son of Petter Jacobsen Falch og Anna Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta. Lauritz Petterssøn Falch giftet seg med Helene Andersdatter Belter circa 1674.1 Lauritz Petterssøn Falch døde den 30 januar 1705 i Fosnes, Nord-Trøndelag.
Children of Lauritz Petterssøn Falch and Helene Andersdatter Belter:

◦Peder Lauritsen Falch f. c 1676
◦Anders Lauritsen Falch f. c 1678, d. mar. 1706
◦Anna Elisabeth Falch+ f. c 1679, d. 1752
◦Hans Lauritsen Falch+ f. c 1681, d. c 1742
(Source:
Svein Tore Dahl: Geistligheten i Nord-Norge og Midt-Norge i tiden 1536-1700., s. 53).

I submitted profiles for Lars (Lauritz) Falch's parents for six month ago, but the links are now removed !!

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Petter Jacobsen Falch (= Petter Jacobssøn Falch),
b. circa 1591, d. 1643.

Petter Jacobsen Falch ble født circa 1591 i Vestnes, Romsdal. He was son of Jacob Pederssøn og Margrethe Petersdatter Falkener. Petter Jacobsen Falch var Fogd på Helgeland i 1618. Han giftet seg med Anna Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta circa 1624 i Nord Herøy, Helgeland. Petter Jacobsen Falch døde i 1643 i Tjøtta, Alstahaug, Nordland.
(Source:
Wiki (Nor): http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petter_Jakobson_Falk).

Children of Petter Jacobsen Falch and Anna Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta:

◦Anna Pettersdatter Falch+ f. c 1625, d. 1709
◦Margrethe Pedersdatter Falch+ f. c 1627, d. 1659
◦Maren Pedersdatter Falch+ f. c 1629, d. 15 jun. 1709
◦Jacob Pettersen Falch+ f. 1631, d. 1715
◦Peder Pettersen Falch f. c 1633, d. 5 apr. 1693
◦Jonas Pettersen Falch f. c 1635, d. 11 feb. 1671
◦Lauritz Petterssøn Falch+ f. 1636, d. 30 jan. 1705
◦Melchior Pettersen Falch+ f. 1641, d. 1721
◦Kirsten Pettersdatter Falch+ f. c 1643, d. 1718
(Source:
Axel Coldevin: Jordegods og storgårder i Nord-Norge).

Regards
Steen Blichert Stuhr

Private User
9/29/2014 at 1:05 PM

Trying to figure out where things went wrong, this is my take on that:

The older merge between Lars Falch and Lauritz Petterssøn Falch is probably not correct and the first Lars Falch should have been merged with Unknown Profile which is Maren Pedersdatter Falch son. This corresponds with the merge profiles I can see in the history of the two.

I think Unknown Profile should be merge with Maren Pedersdatter Falch and Lauritz Petterssøn Falch parents set back to Petter Jacobsen Falch and Anne Jonsdatter

Private
9/30/2014 at 5:08 AM

Yes,
" Maren Falch should be merge with Maren Pernille Pettersdatter Falch and Lars (Lauritz) Falch parents set back to Petter Jacobssøn Falch and Anne Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta". This is correct according to several sources mentioned above.
And why not set his name to: Lauritz Petterssøn Falch, instead of: Lars (Lauritz) Falch ??
Maren Pernille Pettersdatter Falch and Lauritz Petterssøn Falch are sister/brother.
Is that possible ?
Regards
Steen Blichert Stuhr

Private User
9/30/2014 at 9:53 AM

I think things are corrected now.

Private
10/1/2014 at 7:30 AM

Marvellous. It's correct now. Thank you very much :)

Regards
Steen Blichert Stuhr

Private User
10/1/2014 at 8:12 AM

Probably one more issue.

Are Unknown Profile and Lauritz Petterssøn Falch the same ?
There seems to be more then one "merge" issue in this part of the tree.

Private User
10/1/2014 at 8:52 AM

DIfference parents, so there must be some error here.

Private
10/1/2014 at 9:08 AM

Not the same:

Laurits Peterson Falch is son of Maren Pernille Pettersdatter Falch, who's brother is Lauritz Petterssøn Falch.

Regards
Steen Blichert Stuhr

Private User
10/1/2014 at 9:45 AM
Private User
10/1/2014 at 11:53 AM

I've tried to match the two Laurits:
1. Unknown Profile
2. Unknown Profile
3. Unknown Profile-Unknown Profile
4. Unknown Profile-Unknown Profile
and
1. Lauritz Petterssøn Falch
2. Hans Lauritzen Falch
3. Svend Hansen Falch, Seierstad-Martha Hansdatter Falch
4. Jonas Svendsen Falch-Rebekka Petersdatter Falch

Everything seems to align both with names and dates, but at 4. there seems to be a something strange going on with the parents of Rebekka.

Can someone please verify the profiles I've listed ?

Private User
10/3/2014 at 1:44 AM

Hmm... Glad to learn that it seemes like I`ve got this mother-of-Lauritz-part of my Geni-tree correct all the time then. :-) Also, this would be in harmony with two old trees in my position, written by hand. One of them I got from my late Dad and he, most likely, from the family to his grandma Lise Kristine Hansdatter Tverå (Tveraa) from Offersø, Tjøtta, Alstahaug, married to Edvin Tverå in my home town Mosjøen. I remember so well the day Mom took me to visit my great grandma for the first time, not long before she past away in 1950, 91 years old. It was not before I was in my 40-ties I learned that the ancestry to this lovely old lady sitting in her rocking chair with a shawl around her, went back to both the Falch / Valkenier and the Angel family - and far beyond... I wonder if she knew. Guess she didn`t. Genealogy and our family trees was never a (big) topic when I grew up, as I can recall.

Private User
10/13/2014 at 12:44 PM

There seems to be an issue with my first post with the comparisons( deleted the post with the incorrect links and added this one )

The two Lauritz's compared:
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000015187584221?to=6000000006...

Hans, there son's:
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000015187159678?to=6000000009...

Hans's son Sven:
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000015150640212?to=6000000008...

Should the profiles be merge and the parents of Lauritz set to Petter Jacobssøn Falch and Anne Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta ?

From the evidence I got, the profiles should be merge, so if none tells a different story within a few day I will correct the profiles according to my findings.

Private
10/15/2014 at 6:43 AM

Hi;

if you do the first merge:
the two Lauritz's compared:
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000015187584221?to=6000000006...
there will be different parents!!

and

Maren Pernille Pettersdatter Falch and Lauritz Petterssøn Falch parents are Petter Jacobssøn Falch and Anne Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta.

Regards
Steen

Private User
10/15/2014 at 5:20 PM

I will correct the parents after the merge.
Do you agree that the profiles should be merged ?

Private
10/17/2014 at 7:17 AM

Yes, I agree;

and

the parents of Lauritz Petterssøn Falch and Maren Pernille Pettersdatter Falch are set to Petter Jacobssøn Falch and Anne Jonsdatter, på Tjøtta.

//Steen

Private User
10/17/2014 at 4:40 PM

I've completed the merge.

Private
10/21/2014 at 5:16 AM

Thank you, it looks OK now.

12/14/2014 at 8:09 AM

Private det er helt sikkert at Peder Jacobsen Falch sin hustru Anne Jonsdatter ikke er en Benkestok, men dessverre er dette en av de feilene som er veldig vanskelig å få bukt med siden den ligger ute på uttallige hjemmesider.

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